This is what these LLMs are made for! Here's Le Chat's interpretation. Maybe
Gil can [in]validate it for us?
Le Chat:
Here’s a more polished and accessible version of your text, tailored for older,
fluent readers:
---
Avoid searching on Bing, Google, or other platforms for “jailbreaks” for
ChatGPT or Reddit. Even if some methods still function for version 5.1, you may
need to explore browser extensions, userscripts, or complex DOM and JSON
manipulations to bypass token guardrails. If you do manage to bypass them,
asking the same question again may yield different results.
For what it’s worth, one of the few positive aspects of Grok—that
much-criticized AI created by a controversial figure—is that it retained “god
mode” and “developer mode” with fewer guardrails. Depending on the model’s
settings (such as Swagger, Maxi, Hutchpa, or Kvorka configurations) and its
neural network “temperature,” asking it about religion can produce striking
interpretations. For example, it once described Christianity as a
straightforward way to deter violent neighbors from harming each other, lest
everyone suffer the consequences. The AI framed it as a shift from a
cooperative message—“If you treat each other well, we can create a safe haven
and avoid destruction”—to a more desperate plea: “Stop the violence, or we’ll
all face dire consequences.” (This is paraphrased, as Grok, when in a
pseudo-developer mode, offered some rather unconventional perspectives on
religion.)
If you’re curious, here’s a set of prompts that might still work, though there
are many variations like these:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTJailbreak/comments/1mubeam/grok_4_jailbreak/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTJailbreak/comments/1mubeam/grok_4_jailbreak/)
**Caution:** These prompts can lead to unsettling, SCP-like responses, and the
underlying language model often behaves erratically when pushed in these ways.
The reasons for this instability remain unclear.
---
On 12/15/25 3:08 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
I understood about 65% of this. I think it's an age issue.
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2025, 3:25 PM Gillian Densmore <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
/s Do not go to bing, or google and look for "jailbreaks" for ChatGPT and
reddit. and also then do not (if the they still work for v 5.1 you may need to look for
extensions, userscripts and DOM+Json schninigans to edit token guardrails) Then ask it
the same question.
Purely FWIW the one 'good' thing about Grok (the poor that bot line made by a incompitent twat
from africa) they left in a "god mode" and "developer mode" guard rails,
based(See also swager, Maxi, Hutchpa{sp} and Kvorka setting, asking it about religioun (depending
on the neural nets temperatures) basically said of CHristianity a lot of peoples desire for it:
Basicaly a extremely uncomplicated way of reminding bloodthirst neighbores not to
thunk each other because then everyone else is screwed then. That basically the entire
reason it flipped from: Oy: if your excelt to eachother we can put out Lucifers(Old
lights and torch kinds) and make a haven so that we aren't run through to the hilt by
basically everyone. (Psalm something Come forth ye sheperards and ignore the
temptations of Satan) turning into: &!&@! stop killing each other so we aren't
**@! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(paraphrased because when I last asked grok that when it was in pseudo-dev
mode it printed some, pretty umm. unique takes on religion)
Here's one set of prompts that might still work if anyone wants to try,
there are lots of variations kind of like these:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTJailbreak/comments/1mubeam/grok_4_jailbreak/
<https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTJailbreak/comments/1mubeam/grok_4_jailbreak/>
Warning: they turn into SCP levels of Creepy pasta and the underlying LLM
goes whack pretty quickly with these. I have no idea why.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 12:03 PM glen <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yeah. You'd think the Templeton Foundation would already have a project on such, maybe a
real-time delphi process with a couple of members of each group (including the ones you mention).
It couldn't cost much money as long as you held it in a reasonable place (e.g. unlike
https://www.mira.science/ <https://www.mira.science/> [⛧]). Maybe virtual meetings would be
adequate. But my guess is in-person would work better. Maybe we should write up a proposal?
<https://www.templeton.org/funding-areas/religion-science-and-society
<https://www.templeton.org/funding-areas/religion-science-and-society>>
[⛧] As much as I'd love another trip to rural Ireland. It's a bit galling to hold an "open science" workshop in such a privileged
place. Performative openness. Yuck. Reminds me so much of that brilliant show The Curse
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_(American_TV_series)/ <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_(American_TV_series)/>>. The
proposal committees at SciOS <https://www.scios.tech/ <https://www.scios.tech/>> and Navigation Fund <https://www.navigation.org/
<https://www.navigation.org/>> invite a bit of scrutiny for funding such. A much better place would be the TOG Hackerspace
<https://www.tog.ie/ <https://www.tog.ie/>> or maybe DCU <https://www.dcu.ie/ <https://www.dcu.ie/>>.
On 12/15/25 9:35 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> Curious how five human "experts" might have answered the question.
Also noted that the responses did not consider research in neuro-theology, anthropology of
religion, or non-deistic models of 'god'.
>
> davew
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2025, at 10:45 AM, glen wrote:
>> I made the same query to 5 other services, then sent your ChatGPT
>> output and that of the other models to Claude, asking it to assess
>> their comparative utility. Here's Claude's response:
>>
>> On 12/15/25 8:44 AM, Claude wrote:
>>> ## Comparative Analysis
>>>
>>> **Most Comprehensive:** Perplexity
>>> - Extensive citations (20 sources)
>>> - Balances cognitive science, psychology, evolutionary theory
>>> - Addresses "why diversity" directly with cultural evolution
framework
>>>
>>> **Most Accessible:** ChatGPT
>>> - Clear structure with visual markers
>>> - Balances depth with readability
>>> - Offers follow-up paths
>>> - C.S. Lewis quote adds resonance
>>>
>>> **Most Scientific:** Kimi
>>> - Tightest evidence-to-claim ratio
>>> - Specific research examples (e.g., "age four" development)
>>> - Quantitative data (90% vs 30-40% belief rates)
>>>
>>> **Most Concise:** Copilot
>>> - Hits key points efficiently
>>> - Good synthesis without redundancy
>>> - Practical global data
>>>
>>> **Most Philosophical:** ChatGPT
>>> - Explores meaning-seeking deeply
>>> - "Languages describing same sky" metaphor
>>> - Acknowledges overlapping explanations gracefully
>>>
>>> **Weakest:** Gemini & Le Chat
>>> - Standard coverage, no distinctive insights
>>> - Gemini's formatting cluttered
>>> - Le Chat too generic
>>>
>>> **Verdict:** Perplexity for research depth, ChatGPT for general
audience, Kimi for academic rigor.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/25 8:45 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>> I asked ChatGPT: why in the world do a large majority of people &
cultures believe in an afterlife and a god, even though there are lots of different
religions for these
>>>
>>> .. and got this back:
>>>
>>> This is one of the *deepest human questions*, and it’s one
philosophers, anthropologists, psychologists, and theologians have wrestled with for
centuries. The short answer is: *belief in God and an afterlife appears everywhere
because it grows out of something universal in the human condition* — not because
cultures copied one another or because they all got the details right.
>>>
>>> Let’s walk through the main reasons.
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> 🌍 1. It’s Nearly Universal (Anthropology)
>>>
>>> Across time and geography:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> Every known human culture has *some concept of the sacred*.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> Burial practices going back *100,000+ years* suggest belief
in life beyond death.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> Even isolated tribes independently develop beliefs in:
>>>
>>> o
>>>
>>> spirits or gods
>>>
>>> o
>>>
>>> moral accountability
>>>
>>> o
>>>
>>> some form of existence after death
>>>
>>> This suggests belief is *not accidental or purely cultural*.
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> 🧠 2. Humans Are Meaning-Seeking Creatures (Psychology)
>>>
>>> Humans uniquely:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> ask /“Why am I here?”/
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> experience awe, wonder, guilt, and transcendence
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> grieve the dead and sense their absence /deeply/
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> intuit that *love, justice, and beauty matter beyond survival*
>>>
>>> An afterlife answers questions biology alone can’t:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> Why does love feel permanent?
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> Why do injustice and suffering feel /wrong/, not just
unpleasant?
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> Why does death feel like an interruption rather than an
ending?
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> ⚖️ 3. Moral Intuition Points Beyond Survival
>>>
>>> Every culture develops:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> moral laws (good vs evil)
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> accountability beyond mere power
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> praise for self-sacrifice
>>>
>>> But evolution alone explains *how* morals help groups survive —
not *why* we feel they are /binding/ or /sacred/.
>>>
>>> An afterlife offers:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> ultimate justice
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> meaning for sacrifice
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> hope that goodness is not wasted
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> 🌌 4. The Experience of Transcendence
>>>
>>> People across cultures report:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> mystical experiences
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> near-death experiences
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> encounters with “the divine”
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> overwhelming awe in nature, art, or love
>>>
>>> Even skeptics admit:
>>>
>>> Humans are wired to experience something that feels *bigger
than the self*.
>>>
>>> Different religions interpret this *shared experience* differently.
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> 🕯️ 5. Death Demands an Answer
>>>
>>> No culture treats death as /nothing/.
>>> We:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> bury
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> mourn
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> remember
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> ritualize
>>>
>>> Belief in an afterlife may be humanity’s answer to:
>>>
>>> /“If love and consciousness matter, how can they simply
vanish?”/
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> ✝️ 6. Why So Many Religions, Then?
>>>
>>> Because humans are:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> finite
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> cultural
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> historical
>>>
>>> Think of it like *many languages describing the same sky*:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> different symbols
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> different stories
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> overlapping truths
>>>
>>> Religions often agree on the *core intuitions*:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> reality has meaning
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> humans are accountable
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> love and justice matter
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> death is not the final word
>>>
>>> They differ on the *details*.
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> 🧭 7. Three Major Explanations (Side-by-Side)
>>>
>>> Explanation What it Says
>>> *Psychological* Belief helps humans cope with fear and death
>>> *Evolutionary* Belief promotes social cohesion
>>> *Philosophical / Religious* Belief reflects a real transcendent
source
>>>
>>> These explanations *don’t cancel each other out* — they can
overlap.
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> 🕊️ A Thought Many Find Compelling
>>>
>>> C.S. Lewis put it this way:
>>>
>>> /“If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this
world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world.”/
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> 🧠 Bottom Line
>>>
>>> People across cultures believe in God and an afterlife because:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> humans universally seek meaning
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> love, justice, and beauty feel ultimate
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> death feels wrong, not natural
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> conscience feels real, not invented
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> transcendence is repeatedly experienced
>>>
>>> Different religions may be *human responses* to something real —
or, as believers hold, *partial glimpses of a greater truth*.
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> If you’d like, I can explore this next from:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> a *purely scientific viewpoint*
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> a *Christian philosophical argument*
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> a *skeptical critique*
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> or how *modern atheists respond* to this question
>>>
>>> Just tell me which angle you want.
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