vmiklos: I commited a basic set of instructions for it. It may need correcting to get it right. I can't test it right now.
bouleetbil: I feel like I'm being attacked over this whole matter. Yes, it's my fault. But I've done everything I could conceive of to fix the problems I created. Does this count for anything at all? My main reluctance with your absolute solution is that it doesn't make any allowances for minor bumps. AFAIK, when vmiklos was doing his minor kernel bumps, he never had to make any sort of WIP. The ones I've seen most likely to break shit in base are: glibc, udev, major kernel bumps, and systemd. The only thing I can really agree with is that we need more testing for most changes, but generally I think it's overkill to require many developers to test every single change to base. This adds more overhead to getting stuff done. I remember just trying to get major kernel bumps done. Just doing an email to devel about it generally gets few replies. Generally I might get a maximum of 3 replies within a reasonable time frame. The last kernel bump to 3.1 only got a single one from mcirsta. See here: http://frugalware.org/pipermail/frugalware-devel/2011-October/thread.html#11044 So, it boils down to my main resistance which is due to the lack of interest I get from other developers. I got fed up with getting few if any responses to my WIPs, to the point that I only wanted to bother with it for very major kernel rebuilds or similar massive projects. I hate doing it for changes I perceive to be relatively minor; where a simple test as instructed to me by vmiklos would probably suffice. Your main objection seems to be about the possibility of stealth breakages. I know that happened here. I tested the new udev to the extent that I could, but it still blew up in my face when others had issues. The problem was rooted in the fact that the new udev broke firmware loading for modules. I reverted it to the previous working version as soon as I heard about it. I'm truely sorry, but what else can I do? Ultimately, no one can guarantee any changes they make won't bring it to a screeching halt. Now that I've had a chance to expression my full feelings and position on this, what can we do to reach a compromise? Surely we can find something that we can both accept? _______________________________________________ Frugalware-devel mailing list [email protected] http://frugalware.org/mailman/listinfo/frugalware-devel
