Harry,

        Straw man: 

                remember 800,000 dead in Baghdad alone?

On the other hand, my guess is that Iraq will prosper as a result of
Saddaam's demise but the form of government will not be to our liking and
there will be a resurgence of conservatism. You may stop seeing women on
TV without a scarf across their face.

Bill


On Wed, 28 May 2003 16:55:23 -0700 Harry Pollard
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Keith,
> 
> Your final sentence "This is a most fascinating change-point in 
> history" is 
> the most apt description.
> 
> IQ is not necessarily the best gauge of Presidential ability. 
> Probably the 
> worst recent President was Jimmy Carter, a thoroughly nice 
> individual with 
> a high IQ, but ouch!
> 
> However, Carter was almost an accident. A surprise to everyone.
> 
> The deliberate political intention to become President requires 
> qualities 
> that do not necessarily make one the right person for the job. 
> American 
> Presidents, just like the "leaders" of other lands, are not 
> particularly 
> successful. We can be grateful if they "make do" accomplishing a 
> rare 
> success without doing to much harm.
> 
> Bush actually did something with American power and Blair did the 
> right 
> thing by allying Britain to the US. Every prediction of absolute 
> doom so 
> far has been shown to be wrong - and even silly - remember 800,000 
> dead in 
> Baghdad alone?
> 
> Most problems until now have been the byproducts of success. We did 
> the job 
> too quickly and efficiently. We weren't prepared for the suddenness 
> of our 
> victory.
> 
> As I said, I thought the chance of finding WMD weren't high. I also 
> think 
> it doesn't matter. Yet, that's where Western criticism is at the 
> moment.
> 
> As soon as utilities are effective again, the Iraqi will be happy 
> again, 
> though they'll be looking for relatives in the mass graves for a 
> time There 
> are still 'enemy' out there who have lost their premium positions 
> under 
> Saddam are now angrily like everyone else. They'll be dangerous  for 
> a while.
> 
> Iran and Syria have been told in no uncertain measure "Stay!"
> 
> They have.
> 
> The Israeli/Palestinian dialogue is perhaps about to occur. I 
> pointed out 
> earlier that this had begun before the war ended. Whether successful 
> or 
> not, Bush has maneuvered the best chance of resolving the insoluble 
> perhaps 
> ever.
> 
> If Bush manages the impossible, what will you say then? But, of 
> course, 
> both of us hope he will.
> 
> Harry
> ------------------------------------------
> Keith wrote:
> 
> >Harry,
> >
> >At 11:34 27/05/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >>Keith,
> >>
> >>Or perhaps it won't fail.
> >
> >We'll have to see.
> >
> >>Would you concede that an American President who is prepared to 
> act 
> >>rather than talk, who has just completed a successful war with 
> minimum 
> >>casualties on all sides against an enemy of Israel, might have a 
> decisive 
> >>effect on a somewhat implacable Israel?
> >
> >Bush could certainly have a decisive effect on Israel-Palestine, 
> but if 
> >Sharon starts making objections and there's a stalemate then Bush 
> will 
> >take his side, not the Palestinians'. I don't see America's 
> long-term 
> >partiality to Jewry changing much in the coming years.
> >
> >>Unlike Clinton, Bush offers the aspect of someone who means what 
> he says. 
> >>He also controls the money that keeps both Israel and Palestine 
> going.
> >
> >That's true and he'll keep sending the money to Israel.
> >
> >>I'm coming to belief that the problem is more Palestinian than 
> Israeli. 
> >>The Israeli "occupation" as Sharon called it may end. Palestine 
> must 
> >>quickly form a government  and Arafat must release control of the 
> several 
> >>security services he presently holds.
> >
> >I think the problem is now so complex that only force majeure will 
> solve 
> >it. Constructively, it could be done by the imposition of fair 
> boundaries 
> >on the two nations by America. In fact (I fear) the force majeure 
> will be 
> >applied by the Israelis against the Palestinians and the Americans 
> will 
> >supply the former with whatever they need by way of munitions.
> >
> >>My fear at the moment is that the settlements may be destroyed in 
> the 
> >>Israeli withdrawal. They should be placed in the hands of 
> Palestinians by 
> >>the new Government. (Think of that political Pandora's Box.)
> >>
> >>Saw a bit of Bush this morning. He was chatting amiably with a 
> bunch of 
> >>baseball people at some kind of ceremony. He joked, made allusions 
> to 
> >>some inside baseball stuff, generally was most relaxed.
> >
> >He is certainly able chat to baseball people!  But ring me up 
> (reverse the 
> >charges) when you next see him talking socially to anyone halfway 
> >intelligent -- doctors, say, or scientists, or international 
> politicians 
> >or university deans or even, so help me, a bunch of CEOs.
> >
> >>Didn't see any of the Gnomes of the Beltway handing him a script, 
> or 
> >>prompting him, He was on his own  as a former President of a 
> baseball 
> >>franchise.
> >>
> >>Rather, as he has been on several occasions that I have seen.  
> Notably 
> >>that Press Conference, where he walked alone some 40-50 feet up to 
> the 
> >>podium - then engaged the Press for about 50 minutes, as I recall.
> >
> >On any one occasion he has a bunch of carefully prepared statements 
> and he 
> >won't depart much, if at all, from those.
> >
> >Once again, Harry, I have absolutely nothing against the guy. He is 
> about 
> >of average intelligence and the product of his minders ever since 
> he went 
> >into politics. The point is that someone of average intelligence is 
> simply 
> >not good enough to be a leader (in any real sense of the word) of a 
> 
> >complex and powerful nation.
> >
> >>No other President has appeared before the Press without a covey 
> of 
> >>handlers with him. Also, I can't remember another President 
> spending so 
> >>much time with the Press. Usually someone from their 'covies' 
> tells the 
> >>President to end the session.
> >>
> >>I see a different President from the one who is reviled in the 
> Press and 
> >>elsewhere. I do see the BBC news every night. (Channel Four News 
> used to 
> >>be on over here, but I can't find it. Maybe it has been 
> discontinued.)
> >>
> >>The BBC is definitely biassed against America, and particularly 
> against 
> >>Bush.  That's a good reason for every American and Canadian to 
> watch it. 
> >>For they'll see anti-American opinions that perhaps will never be 
> heard 
> >>on our newscasts - except with accompanied amazement. "How can 
> they?"
> >>
> >>Bush now has a reputation. I hope he won't lose his nerve, but 
> will use 
> >>his successes to bring a peace of some sort to the Middle East.
> >
> >Snowflake in hell's chance, I'm afraid. I wish you were right but 
> I'm 
> >extremely doubtful.
> >
> >But let's not get too excited about all this. Time will tell and 
> let's 
> >hope that there's time for both of us to see who is right about 
> Bush. This 
> >is a most fascinating change-point in history.
> >
> >Keith Hudson
> 
> 
> 
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