Hi Chris,

I must have missed your suggestion (the Swiss one). Could you tell me the
date you sent it or, if you still have it in the "sent file" just fire it
off to me because I do agree that our minimum wage is way too low here to
live, it only allows bare survival. But I also think that if the minimum
wage was at the 15 to 17$ (Can) mark (the cut-off "poverty line" for a
single person in Canada) it would encourage more drop-outs than the BI.

Darryl



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From: Christoph Reuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Futurework] FW Basic Income sites


> Ed Weick wrote:
> > A basic income would likely require a net budgetary expenditure, but
what
> > should happen, and probably would happen is that many currently existing
> > social programs would be rolled into it.
>
> Do you know the total amount of all currently existing social programs ?
> (i.e. an estimate of what percentage of the $300bn this is)
>
>
> > A basic income program would have to look at all of the foregoing
> >initiatives > and programs to see how many of them could be rolled into a
> >single BI program.  > The design of a program would have to consider
> >several matters:
> >   a.. the value of a BI - most probably, low income cut-offs adjusted
for
> > family size and location (rural/urban etc.) would come into play here;
> >  b.. eligibility: a governing principle would very likely be that anyone
> > having an income higher than the established LICO values would not be
> > eligible;
> >  c.. the extent to which a BI might consist of a direct payment versus
> > something like a negative income  tax;
> >  d.. the possibilities of making the BI, or aspects of it, premium
based;
> >  e.. making recipients feel that a BI is something they get as an
> > entitlement because they are a part of a good and caring society;
> >  f.. yet making sure people didn't cheat because some inevitably will;
> >  g.. etc.
> > As the foregoing suggests, I see an BI not as something everyone would
get,
> > but as a top-up for people and families who cannot afford a relatively
> > decent lifestyle in a wealthy country.
>
> Thanks Ed.  It seems that the more thought people put into this, the more
> their proposal moves away from the GBI proposed at the BI Canada website,
> towards the Swiss solution I described.  Duh. ;-)
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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