Ed and Keith, What’s a “clawback”? Harry ******************************************** From:
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But I do appreciate your sense of
humour. I don't know if you saw my piece on how a BI might be cobbled
together from existing programs. And this morning I posted a suggestion
that you could have a universal BI program with clawback provisions.
Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith
Hudson To: Ed Weick Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [ Ed, At 19:18 15/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: A special problem we have in Your special problem in Keith Ed
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December 15, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [ I agree.
I was too sharp in my response. I apologize. I think Ed's
posting covers why it is affordable. But we may not be socially ready
for BI. We are used to taking from the pot but not giving back. My
fear is that BI will only accentuate taking and not giving. It may not be
a good idea, in my view, since we have yet to educate/socialize
people understand that they are part of society and that while society
is responsible to them with BI, they are also connected to and involved with
society such that they are expected to give back to society. Blame on too
many years of "smash and grab" consumerism/capitalism or "bowling
alone" or what have you. arthur -----Original
Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday,
December 15, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [ Arthur Cordell
wrote: > I think
similar criticisms were levelled against the minimum wage, child > labour
laws, old age security, medicare, etc. > > Same old,
same old. Can't afford it today. Wait. Wait. Someday. > > Rubbish. Being in favor
of the minimum wage(*), child labour laws, old age security, medicare,
etc., but opposed to BI, I think there's a fundamental difference between the
former and the latter: BI is of the "perpetuum mobile" kind. (not in the
sense that BI works forever but that it won't work at all) It would be a
pity if name-calling ("rubbish") and misrepresentation of my arguments
("can't afford it today" -- no, can't afford it tomorrow either!) would
be the only "arguments" of Arthur in reply to my posting and BI-example
($1.2 billion) of 13-Dec-03. Let's hear some good arguments (if
possible with numbers) please... [if there are any] (*) Btw,
I was informed that a Canadian province has reduced the minimum wage
from $8 to $6 ( had to return
from he earned he
can live for 5 months in So Arthur,
perhaps Industry minimum wage
for _workers_ first, before you fancy about an unaffordable
BI for everyone being "affordable". Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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