Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 18 Jul 2002 11:07:51 +0100, Tim Phipps wrote:
> > 
> > > But, when I run my Xserver with depth
> > > 8 (and fvwm allocate these 216 colors) I *cannot* reproduce any
> > > problems, I can run netscape, xv, gimp, any gtk/gnome apps, any
> > > kde apps ..etc without any problems.
> > 
> > You may be being helped by your graphics card/Xserver. If your setup 
> > allows other colormaps to be active without deactivating the root 
> > colormap then it could be that netscape etc have allocated a private 
> > colormap and you don't notice. Other people on less advanced hardware will.

Never heard of multiple 8 bit color maps except some references
to overlay planes, but I don't know much about them.

> > It could be that your apps are sophisticated enough to cope with low 
> > availability of colors. There are plenty of ancient CAD applications 
> > around that fall over in a big heap if they don't get every color they 
> > ask for.

Framemaker refuses to start if it can't get the colors it
wants.  I have to run other locally developed apps that do the
same thing.

> What Dan and Tim say is that there is old hardware and old applications
> that cause a lot of color problems.
> 
> What Olivier says is that on modern hardware and with modern applications
> FVWM looks better using a new colormap table method (no black colors for
> new colors anymore). And he wants to keep an FVWM color limit centrally.

I'm not sure what "modern hardware" means.
8 bit colormaps aren't modern.

>From the description, gradients still didn't look good.

Having the window manager take almost all of a scarce resource
doesn't sound like a reasonable way to go.

> So maybe a solution is to find the correct condition to activate one or
> another code. Or just leave it the way it is now, but print a warning on
> the ColorLimit command saying it is now replaced with $FVWM_COLOR_LIMIT.

I can't say I like the last option.
In my opinion, the old way works.

> On 18 Jul 2002 06:56:12 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
> > 
> > I would not expect to be able to use tinting or
> > gradients on an 8 bit display.
> 
> It may be not an option for a user. For example, he uses someone else's
> configuration (fvwm-themes), or his own configuration from another
> hardware. He may expect the same config automagically to look tolerably
> well even on another hardware.

If you remember the mini-themes package I posted a while back,
it used cpp to eliminate the gradients in 8 bit environments.
Shouldn't fvwm-themes be doing something similar?

> Of course, I myself don't run neither 8bpp nor old hardware, so ignore my
> comments if they make no sense.

I've coped with 8 bit for years and years.
The ColorLimit command helped a whole lot getting icons under control
and making Fvwm attractive.

I admit, I finally gave up, mainly because my Sun hardware wouldn't
go to 1600x1200 and I now use Linux for my home and work desktop.

The users I support at work are still mostly on 8 bit hardware.

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