Funnily enough, Shaun, I used Windows for a decade before jumping ship to Mac because it was such an improvement. So that is why I shake my head at the people who delight in bashing Macs or Apple. It’s fine if it isn’t the platform for you, but stick for the reasons it doesn’t work for you instead of inventing or recycling nonsense about it that isn’t true, which is done far too often on this list.
On Dec 15, 2013, at 8:41 PM, shaun everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi kara well I am just a user that is interested in more information. > One thing I have found about anything else is that when you get a system you > seem to stick to it and protect it with your life. > I have always used windows and have invested a lot in it over the years. > Though if I started again I may have chosen another system. > That doesn't mean that I won't run everything of vms in the future but even > so. > Once you do have a system or whatever it is, I have found that you stick to > your group of associated people that use that system. > Anything that does not is a potentual threat to you. > > At 03:14 PM 12/15/2013, you wrote: >> Okay, >> >> Have not read down this thread all the way yet but I have something simple >> to say. >> >> If people are seriously wanting information on Mac / iOS development then >> that's great and I'm happy to answer when I can. -And there are others here >> as well. >> >> However, this whole Mac / Windows discussion really just seems to be a group >> of people who are not even coding on Macs (and may not even have had any >> experience at all coding on either platform) who are wanting to say how much >> they like Windows. >> >> this is great. But please don't bring this up under the guise of asking >> questions when you seem to really just want to say how much you like Windows. >> >> That's just a waste of time wouldn't you say? >> >> I've programmed on Windows with Visual Studio and Mac with XCode. They both >> have their quirks… >> >> For people who want to use Windows, that's great! For people who want to use >> Mac, that's great! >> >> Can we just stop acting like idiots and get along? ;) lol! >> >> Thanks and hope you're all having an awesome weekend! >> >> Cara :) >> --- >> iOS design and development - LookTel.com >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> Follow me on Twitter! >> >> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >> >> On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Josh <joshknnd1...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> you can get a great windows7 machine from blaire technology group for $190 >> or around $200. take off the back pannel put 4 more gigs of ram in and you >> are good to go. >> >> using windows7 laptop >> >> On 12/14/2013 5:56 AM, Dallas O'Brien wrote: >> > hi. a few things here. yes, you are correct che. mac's are nothing, >> > compared to windows. mac's alone, make up about 50 to 70 million >> > computers in the world today. windows makes up over 1.5 billion, >> > that's billion with a B for bravo. lol. so mac's are nothing to >> > windows. and unless apple brings their prices down, they will never >> > ever be close to a windows based machine, simply because i can buy a >> > windows computer, that has the same basic internal capabilities as a >> > macbook, for a third of the price. and the every day user, isn't going >> > to spend 3 times the cost, or more. they can't afford it these days. >> > it's mostly rich kids, and people who have a bit of money to throw at >> > a problem that buy macs. the every day user just can't afford that >> > price premium. hell, the prices of iPads and iPhones is just stupid >> > for that matter. >> > >> > note, using the turm pc for only a windows based computer isn't >> > particularly correct, as mac's are PC's as well. just thought i'd >> > throw that in, as in terms of what intel call a pc, a mac is one as >> > well. >> > and yeah, i can imagine that coding on the mac is ... interesting, to >> > say the least. lol. hell, just doing every day functions on a mac, are >> > a combination of contorsionism, and joint popping acrobatics. ahaha. >> > never the less, it's good to see some games coming out on the mac. but >> > it will never be the main platform. the ratio of windows to mac is too >> > great. it's not affordable for a developer to work on some games, for >> > the mac, compared to for windows. >> > well, good luck with your work che. looking forward to getting my paws >> > on a copy of the RR V2. >> > regards: >> > Dallas >> > >> > >> > On 14/12/2013, Che Martin <blindadrenal...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi ya, >> >> Just red this quote from the list: >> >> Start quote: >> >> >> >>> First, ignoring Mac as a viable platform for blind gamers is a poor >> >> strategy. One year on, and Mac sales are still far exceeding Windows >> >> sales, >> >> even in comparison to back in the hay day of audio games, some 10 years >> >> ago >> >> or so. It isn't just about raw user numbers, it is about demographics and >> >> the quality of those users. >> >> End quote >> >> >> >> Maybe I am misunderstanding the quote here, but are you saying that macs >> >> are outselling windows machines? >> >> Where are you getting those numbers? >> >> Its been a while since I checked, but last time I took notice macs were >> >> around 5 or 6 percent with PC's over 80 percent. >> >> I am sure the mac has made strides in recent years, but if they are >> >> outselling windows machines in pretty much any significant market, that is >> >> surprising news to me. >> >> I could see where macs may be accelerating with the decline of the PC, >> >> but >> >> last I checked, they have a really long way to go to be anywhere near >> >> outselling windows machines. >> >> If macs are indeed outselling pc's with windows, I would have lost a >> >> large >> >> bet on that, had a wager been presented to my degenerate gambling self. >> >> Here is what I dug up quickly on google before going to bed: >> >> In an interview with Computerworld, Gartner analyst Carolina Milanesi says >> >> a >> >> major OS shift is coming. By 2015, she predicts, devices running Apple >> >> operating systems will overtake those running Windows. >> >> >> >> >> >> Last year, shipments of products running Windows still handily outnumbered >> >> those running Mac OS and iOS, by 347 million to 213 million, according to >> >> figures from Gartner published Monday. The lead will be slashed to 23 >> >> million in 2014, and the Apple OSes will likely outnumber Windows devices >> >> in >> >> 2015, said Carolina Milanesi, research vice president at Gartner. >> >> >> >> End article clip >> >> >> >> So based on those numbers, even throwing in the mobile iOS into the mac >> >> equation, windows is outselling them, strip out iOS and those numbers get >> >> far more out of balance when we're talking windows versus mac straight up. >> >> Obviously on the mobile side of things, apple is owning microsoft, but >> >> if >> >> we're talking macs versus windows, i.e. desktops and laptops, its not even >> >> close, and won't be for many years to come. >> >> I think regarding mobile platforms if MS doesn't get their heads out of >> >> their collective rear ends, they'll be selling Xbox 2s exclusively in >> >> another decade, but for now, they dominate the desktop and laptop market >> >> hands down in raw sales. >> >> I'm no microsoft fan boy, I have plenty of apple equipment as well, just >> >> wanted to make sure folks had the right information on this topic, >> >> especially potential developers. >> >> There are a lot of audio gamers using macs now, and I am glad for it, >> >> but >> >> the windows users as far as raw numbers go blow them out of the water, >> >> something I considered and researched very carefully when deciding whether >> >> to port Rail Racer 2 to mac. In the end, the work didn't justify the >> >> return, not at this point in time anyhow. >> >> I am learning slowly how to program for iOS, but it is tedious the way >> >> voiceover works on the mac, too many hoops to jump through for basic stuff >> >> making it very inefficient. >> >> Secondly, I'm having a hard time finding help out in the community, >> >> although I've only recently started, and I'm sure there are groups of >> >> accessible programmers out there somewhere willing to help out with the >> >> occasional question from a newbie to the system and xCode IDE, I just >> >> haven't ferreted them out yet. >> >> If anyone out there knows of someone willing to help me answer a few >> >> basic >> >> questions about xcode and the like, I'm all about it, and willing to pay >> >> for >> >> the tutoring,. >> >> Cara graciouslly showed me a few things, but I thinnk she is too busy at >> >> this point, and I don't want to pester folks. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Che >> >> Email: blindadrenal...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Comments? >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> >> list, >> >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> > --- >> > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. 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