It's the lawyers that made the distinction, not me. I personally don't
agree with the laws, but they are what they are.
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From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
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Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro -
Re:professionalwrestling-Re:ThePsychology of FirstPerson Shooters
And what do you think legal distinctions are based on in the first place?
Ethical and linguistic distinctions used in the concepts made when those
laws were written, and those! sorts of distinctions are ones that need to
change and evolve with the world and society.
As however you've obviously made your mind up on this I don't really think
there's much point, plus a discussion of semantic distinctions and the
nature of language is very beyond what this list is here for.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
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Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro -
Re:professionalwrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
Not at all. This is the legal distinction between an amateur and a
professional, regardless of the amount of skill and training they have.
Professionals are paid, amateurs are not.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
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Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:24 PM
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professionalwrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
Well charlse, law be buggered!this is again one of those categorical
states I think where you perhaps draw a strict distinction when in
reality things are more fluid, and to me putting an olympic athelete who
trains for sevral hours a day in the same category as someone who just
goes to the gym once a month is incorrect, and indeed a little
insulting.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
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Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional
wrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
Regardless of the skill of the person, that is the legal distinction.
Professionals get paid, amateurs do not.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
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Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional
wrestling -Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
I don't know what the size of a 50 cent peace is exactly, but as my
brother is n archer himself I do know some feats in the olympics by
archers are quite astounding.
To be honest with sports, and to an extent with music simply saying a
person is a professional when they get paid doesn't work for me, since
to me if a person is a professional, even if they don't get paid it
implies the time, and effort they put into a thing and the level at
which they do it.
I have met fantastic musicians, who don't actually make money from
music simply because it's damnably difficult to make a living that
way, but perform on a regular basis, often doing performance where
the proceeds go to for charity, indeed I've done such things myself.
That's why I question the term "ameter wrestling" when used of an
olympic wrestler.
Indeed if you lined up the olympic wrestling gold medel winner
beside a star from wwe roar or smackdown and asked me who I
considdered the more serious and professional wrestler, I know who
I'd say, (at least in most cases, given that some of the stars of show
wrestling can do some pretty impressive things).
Beware the grue!
Dark.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:30 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling -
Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
The difference between pro and amateur is that the amateur does not
get paid any money for participating and winning. Olympic athletes
are every bit as skilled as professionals, but they don't receive
money for their endeavors. I have seen Olympic archers shooting at a
48-inch diameter target that has a bull's eye that is about the size
of a soda can't top from a distance of 90 meters, which is roughly
100 yards. This was outdoors, so they also had to contend with the
wind. Indoors, they shoot at a distance of 18 meters, or about 20
yards, at a target that is about a foot in diameter with a bull's eye
that is roughly the size of a $0.50 piece. They have beaten
professionals.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology
of FirstPerson Shooters
Hi Dark,
I definitely agree. I think show wrestling and competitive wrestling
is more suited than pro wrestling and amateur wrestling which
doesn't
really make sense given that some amateur wrestlers are pro athletes
who compete in the Olympics and other major competitions like that.
On 12/20/13, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
I agree Jacob, though it seems a shame to describe something which
is done
at the olympic level, where people spend thousands of hours
training and
competing as "ameter" after all you'd not say someone who cycles
or runs
or swims in the olympics as an ameter in that sport.
Myself, I think show wrestiling vs competitive wrestling is a
reasonable
distinction, much as you would describe an actor who has learn some
flamboient fencing techniques to use in the theatre as a show
fencer
compared to anyone who actually competes in the sport.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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