Appologies for the late reply, but before I answered this question, I wanted to give it careful consideration. As I said before, Alter is a good game and I would love to see it become a great game.
1. Warriors. As they stand, this class is almost as broken as the Thief. Some of the existing issues with Warriors include: more stat dependencies than are necessary*, equipment issues and entirely too many skills. Honestly, the class really ought to be split into two, possibly three, separate classes (though I understand that this is highly unlikely to happen any time soon). 2. Thieves. The issues I have with thieves include entirely too many stat dependencies*, too many skills, and as with warriors, poor equipment choices. As with the Warrior, the Thief really ought to be split into two, possibly three, classes (though I understand that this is highly unlikely to happen any time soon). 3. Equipment. I have no issue with randomly generated loot (I am a Diablo II fan), but the equipment generation methodology is a bit wonky. For instance, if I have my Warrior (Ohthere) murder a mob and it drops a piece of equipment specific to warriors, the randomly generated properties ought to lean more favorably toward the warrior-specific enhancements. This is not to say that other qualities that support other classes should not be included, but that they ought to be, at best, secondary to those random properties chosen for the Warrior (or whatever class any particular piece of equipment is designed for). 4. Warrior Equipment. This is a point that deserves a separate explanation in that most Warrior equipment (all that I have seen) is not very good. Most of the warrior-specific equipment I have seen does not provide enough damage output, but most tellingly, does not provide enough Armor Class. I would think that a class dedicated to melee ought to have much more defense than it currently does (barring tanks, of course). With spellcasters, equipment is fairly straight-forward: a player either searches for caster level increases with additional boosts to stats/mana/mana regeneration, or creates a mana regeneration set. 5. Alignment. Alignment plays too significant a role in Alter Aeon, and while I might not normally be concerned with this, it is the way in which players must attain their alignment goal that I find to be broken. In every other role-playing game I have ever played (be it pen-and-paper or electronic) alignment is completely up to the player and the choices they make. Alter Aeon is the only role-playing game I have ever seen where the game can force you away from your chosen alignment. Again, this would not trouble me over much, except that there is entirely too many pieces of alignment-dependent equipment in the game. I would suggest that either most of the equipment have its alignment requirements removed or that alignment be made a player-controlled choice, i.e. no alignment offsets. 6. Leveling. You have seen this before, but this bears repeating: timers need to go away as they serve no purpose other than an extra burden on players. I would even go so far as to suggest that level timers are a form of punishment directed at those players who are willing to put in the time and energy to level their characters. 7. There are a fair number of other points that ought to be addressed, but this email is already rather lengthy. *What I mean by this is that the spellcasting classes each have two stat dependencies: a primary and a secondary, e.g. a Cleric uses Wisdom and Charisma as their primary and secondary stats, respectively. The Warrior and the Thief use, from what I have been able to tell, at least three stats: Strength, Dexterity and Constitution for the Warrior and Strength, Dexterity and Charisma for the Thief. If it were me, I would change the stat dependencies for Warrior to Strength and Constitution and Dexterity and Charisma for Thieves. On 12/2/15, Dennis Towne <s...@xirr.com> wrote: > Justin, if you had a day of Dentin time, what things would you have > him look at and in what order? > > Dennis Towne > > Alter Aeon MUD > http://www.alteraeon.com > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Justin Jones <atreides...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Jeremy, >> >> I think I would be a bit less critical if Alter Aeon had been around >> for only a few years, but since it has been in operation for two >> decades, I do not feel the need to be overly sympathetic. If I could >> play the commercial MMORPG games, I would be doing that rather than >> playing Alter Aeon. Unfortunately, as a blind gamer, I am heavily >> restricted with my options (a situation that aggravates me to no end). >> >> I will concede that Alter is definitely a step above other muds. I >> have investigated others and they are either not well supported, >> extremely PVP heavy or have a strong RP requirement. None of those >> options particularly appeal to my sensabilities. Also, up until I >> started playing Alter Aeon, I was not very well connected to the blind >> community. Thanks to Alter, I have plenty of blind friends now (though >> the vast majority of my friends remain sighted). >> >> The best way to explain my harsh criticism of Alter Aeon is I >> recognize the potential it has from transforming from a merely good >> game (which it is) to a great game. It is, perhaps, a quirk of mine >> that my harshest criticisms go toward the things that I recognize >> potential in. >> >> As for your points, we are going to have to agree to disagree and >> leave it at that. Perhaps you might be willing to provide some >> guidance on Alter for me. I am, at the very least, willing to learn >> and improve. Then, perhaps, I might be willing to rethink my position >> on the various issues I have commented on. >> >> My main on Alter Aeon is Morathi, with my three primary alts being >> Sheoldred, Ohthere and Corallyon. >> >> >> >> On 12/1/15, Jeremy Brown <tyr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Justin, >>> >>> Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'll address some of my own >>> responses to yours below. Sometimes, it's a matter of your play style >>> or your expectations. Coming from a long term roleplaying game >>> background like Dark, a mud is never going to live up to my own >>> personal standards of what i'd like from this style of game; but that >>> said, I feel that alter does better than a lot of muds I've tried. >>> >>> I'm going to quote and respond below: >>> >>> Jeremy, I get that Alter is staffed by volunteers and that Dentin and >>> Shadowfax have real-life issues to deal with. I get it, I really do, >>> but some of the recent changes/skill additions have been >>> mind-bogglingly awful. >>> >>> (Jeremy: A lot of awful is very subjective. One change that has >>> angered a lot of people is the charisma changes for clerics. It has >>> made charisma an important stat for now five classes. However, >>> because charisma was everyone's dump stat, it has caused issues. The >>> ability to swap stats has alleviated some of this problem, and some >>> other issues with other awful changes are answered in similar ways. I >>> wouldn't want to pay for a stat swap either if I could help it, so I >>> sympathize with those who don't see that as an option, but saying >>> this change is awful because there's no recourse just because you >>> don't like the recourse is probably not the way to procede.) >>> >>> >>> >>> Take, for instance, the change where lightcatchers will now have a >>> chance to break when they are used. Why? Why has Dentin felt the need >>> to make this adjustment? There is no call to do this? On the other >>> hand, >>> >>> (Jeremy: I disagree. Druid is the youngest class in terms of >>> development, and this is part of limiting the class' power and making >>> it more in line with other powers and abilities on the game. Light >>> catchers and spell staves make druids one of the most dangerous >>> classes, and causing these abilities to possibly have other >>> repercussions helps to limit that power. To build new staves or sun >>> catchers takes gold a limited resource, mana and time that the >>> character might have used elsewhere. It makes sense. Necromancers >>> run into this problem when soul stones are sucked down to the >>> underworld with a summoning etc.) >>> >>> >>> Warriors and Thieves need some serious overhauling as there are >>> entirely too many stat dependencies, >>> >>> (Warrior and thief require at most four stats like any other class. >>> Primarily either strength or dexterity, constitution and charisma. If >>> a thief is to be successful intelligence is important, but since any >>> sane person will want spells, intelligence will be one of the stats >>> being trained fourth, fifth, or sixth anyway. I don't get this >>> particular argument, but i'll attribute it to play style.) >>> >>> >>> >>> but most of all, the equipment >>> selection is not terribly strong? >>> >>> (When I first started playing, a super powerful warrior could hit >>> 40/40 and was limited to hitting. Now, a super powerful warrior can >>> expect to hit 50/50 without intrinsic hitroll or damroll and more than >>> likely regens mv, has intelligence or wisdom on their hit gear so they >>> can cast mor e of their own spells, can carve many pieces or have a >>> druid friend carve them, and can often do other things while hitting. >>> Again, I am not sure I follow this argument. In terms of gear, I >>> honestly think warrior and thief have it far better in many ways than >>> other classes. No, most hit gear does not carry mv regen which would >>> be a warrior equivalent to the manaregen on caster level gear but >>> refresh is a second level spell requiring only a wisdom of 14 or 15 >>> and a chr of 11 or 12. Again, i'll have to attribute this one to >>> difference in play style and expectations.) >>> >>> >>> >>> With the various spellcasting >>> classes, as a direct comparison, the latter's equipment is fairly >>> straight-forward in what is optimal. >>> >>> (Hmm, i'm not sure i'd agree. All casting classes have to decide >>> whether to go with cast level or regen. Necromancer is the only class >>> where the two often are conjoined nicely and even there, many >>> necromancers can increase their regen by going full bore regen set. >>> However, iagree with you that most of the casting gear is easier to >>> understand once you learn the differences between cast ability, caster >>> level, mana regen, intelligence, wisdom, and charisma boosts, aging, >>> age, and how all of those interact.) >>> >>> Warriors and Thieves, on the >>> other hand have lousy selections. >>> >>> (Why? There are a number of 3/3 pieces in the game now, there's a >>> number of lower power pieces with str/dex on them. Ther'es pieces >>> with mv regen and hit or dam. I'm not seeing this one, i'm sorry.) >>> >>> >>> >>> If Dentin/Shadowfax are being overwhelmed by the workload involved, >>> they can always reach out to veteran members of the community and >>> enlist their support. >>> >>> (Yes, if they are willing to deal with the possible fall out and >>> issues with how changes are implemented. Dentin is very careful who >>> has access to and is able to change the code and how much for a >>> reason. He has a vision for the game and how it should be balanced, >>> and past issues with coding are one reason there aren't more people >>> doing it.) >>> >>> >>> >>> It is a simple problem with an equally simple >>> solution. >>> >>> (As with most simple solutions, the problem isn't quite as simple as >>> it appears:).) >>> >>> >>> I am willing to concede that my entry into Alter, and subsequent >>> opinion of the game, is colored by my experience with mainstream >>> role-playing games, i.e. games that sighted people have access too. >>> >>> (Such as? I know my experiences were heavily colored by my playing of >>> Dungeons and Dragons, Rolemaster, and other similar games. If you're >>> meaning World of Warcraft or similar online things, since they evolved >>> from muds, there's a lot of overlap in terms of how they work, and >>> there's also a lot of differences in terms of business model. When >>> you have 2 million subscribers all paying 10 dollars a month to play, >>> you can afford more coding, more elaborate setups, and more rapid >>> change.) >>> >>> >>> Perhaps I have grown accustomed to a higher level of quality/balance, >>> >>> (Quality is subjective. I have the impression from your other >>> critiques that a number of these issues are different from my own >>> issues with A.A. and probably result from play style and approach. >>> Balanced? I'm not so sure about that. A.A. is one of the best >>> balanced games I've seen in terms of no one class being dominant. >>> When I first started playing mage was clearly the most superior class >>> and far outstripped all others hands down and with no question. >>> Nowadays? While many people feel that necromancer and druid are >>> overpowered, they are frankly new classes. The other four were >>> balanced over a period of 20 years. Necromancer has been out 6 years, >>> druid only 3 assuming i'm remembering correctly. Neither is a >>> significant amount of time compared to the other four. The light >>> catcher change you noted earlier, and the changes two or three years >>> ago to necromancer minions that caused such an uproar are signs of >>> those classes being brought into tighter balance.) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> given my background. If this is indeed the case, then I recognize my >>> failing and will work to correct it. >>> >>> >>> (I'm not sure it's a failing necessarily, but a lack of full >>> understanding. That tends to be the source of most criticisms of the >>> game. I played for 7 years before I ever started building on A.A. and >>> it wasn't until I started building that I truly began understanding >>> parts of the game that had always flummoxed me. It's an amazingly >>> complex interaction of stats, skills and spells, equipment, and other >>> factors that make monsters and players the way they are. Dentin >>> himself a lot of times has to ask players how things work in actual >>> play because he's not directly familiar with every bit of code all the >>> time. It seems like to me that some of your criticisms are based on >>> misapprehension of what the powers and roles of warrior and thief are >>> versus caster classes. Also too, equipment is built by world builders >>> and takes time to catch up with actual needs and changes in the player >>> base, play style, and game changes. A lot of cleric gear has been >>> updated to include bonus chr now instead of bonus intelligence for one >>> example. A lot of newer warrior and thief eq is far superior to what >>> was available in older areas, and some of hthat is being updated >>> slowly but surely. Players want the game to reflect what they see as >>> weaknesses, but the game has something like 600 or 700 distinct areas >>> or racks, new ones are being added to keep up with player demand, and >>> with the limited volunteer staff there's not enough time to update >>> every piece of eq the way it should be as fast as it should be. In >>> the case of main stream rpgs for the sighted, most of the ones that I >>> see people cite most often are pay to play set ups or are table top >>> games. Both involve a huge cash investment and require a lot of >>> fiddling with at the design level. The players do not see that >>> fiddling the way they do with a small mud like A.A. because it all >>> happens invisibly and is paid for. There's no volunteers, there's >>> people being paid to do grinding work. It's an important point to >>> keep in mind. For many points in A.A.'s history there's been less >>> people operating full time. At some points there was more. Dentin >>> has made a real commitment to keeping the game playable as a free >>> game. I like that, and admire it, but it means that people do have to >>> have certain expectations different than with mainstream games. Also >>> too, one last thing: Alter is, was, and continues to be designed just >>> as much for sighted people as for the blind. Making a distinction >>> between it and mainstream sighted games struck me sort of mfunny. >>> Dnetin's catering more to blind players as we make up the majority of >>> the player base now, but the game didn't start out that way, and only >>> slowly has evolved that way. When I first started playing, it was a >>> different thing ieentirely to play on the telnet clients and to have >>> to react at speed with no triggers to a changing environment. Mush >>> has so much ambient sound, and msp sounds have added so much, that the >>> game is hardly recognizable in those terms.) >>> >>> Take care, >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Justin M. Jones, M.A. >> atreides...@gmail.com >> (254) 624-9155 >> 701 Ewing St. #509-C, Ft. 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