you really should upgrade Hal though. net navigation, great links utilities, a lot more helpful stuff in virtual focus, and much cleaner window handling, java access and much better all round debugging in the latest version.

In fact Hal is one of the few pieces of software I upgrade all the time myself.

I don't imagine for instance that the smugglers games would play very well with hal v5, though they are fine with Hal 11, ---- or indeed with any version of Hal post 7.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "shaun everiss" <shau...@xtra.co.nz>
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hmmm I have hal 5.21 and jaws 6.20.
I seem to have avoided all the issues people seem to be having.
except the ocational lockup.
nvda and jaws however are used for spaciffic tasks.
hal is used for everything else.
At 10:41 p.m. 1/06/2010, you wrote:
Jaws six? I don't think that version is quite good. In fact the best version is 7 or hier.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "shaun everiss" <shau...@xtra.co.nz>
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Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:55 PM
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well the only reason I have jaws at all was it was funded for me because everyone here that works needs jaws aparently for some stupid crappy reason.
myself jaws 6 has been ok for what I have used it for.
Would I ever use it as a primary reader?
not on your life.
Sometimes it gives to much info and it can get buggy though its scripts for various instances work well as well as advanced ms office functionality.
I like hal as my reader for primary use.
my version is quite crappy and old but it does what I need it to do.
right now its been the only reader I can esentually make go away without making it go away fully.
At 08:46 a.m. 1/06/2010, you wrote:
Hi Bryan,
Oh, yeah. How can I forget?
That more than anything else has turned me against Freedom Scientific
products. Not that their products are bad, but the way they treat
their customers and how sue crazy they have been over the past few
years.
The case over the place marker is a classic case in point.  I've been
using GW Micro products for years, and know that feature has been
around a long time and Freedom Scientific decides to go after them
when Window-Eyes 7 is about to come out. It was about the most
rediculous instance of selfish greed and corperate back stabbing
imaginable. If I had a few million to spend on it I'd buy every Jaws
user a copy of Window-Eyes 7.2 and they could tell Freedom Scientific
where to go. I wonder how the greedy guys at Freedom Scientific would
like that?

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