I can do everything you said, other than hitting what's left and knowing what my final score is. But why would it matter... because I would only play it when friends were around, and would know final scores regardless? Again, I think it comes down to personal definitions of accessible... I am not trying to provoke an argument, only to discuss. I don't deal with the wii as much anymore, I find my ps3 much more accessible. And what is your definition of usable feedback? My definition is the clicking of the system as I move through the menus, and in the ps3's case, the fact that they don't wrap. My definition of usable feedback when playing bowling is judging crowd sounds, and when friends are around, what they tel me. So again, down to personal perspective. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
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Could you come into a room, turn the unit on, choose a game without hunting for it by trial and error, roll the first ball at the desired spot by knowing your target instead of randomly throwing it, know what pins remain (if any), use skill rather than guesswork to aim at them, and know your score after the first frame is over? Could you tell me your final score after the tenth frame had ended, all with no sighted help? If you can play the bowling game with no sighted help at all, knowing everything you need to in order to play the game completely through, then I would say that it is accessible, and be interested. If you cannot, then the game is not accessible. Console and game operation by guesswork does not, in any way, equate to doing so using accurate and useable feedback. If you don't get the feedback needed to operate and play the games, it's not accessible. In a sense, it would be like operating your computer without a screen reader if you are totally blind. You could conceivably do it by guessing at your results as you type. You could go through the correct motions such as typing what you need to, but did it work? Without the necessary feedback, you don't know.

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If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian McNamara" <ianmcnamar...@gmail.com>
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Exactly On our whiee when we had it I had the highest score on the bowling on our console and no one could break it including sighted people.

Ian McNamara
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