We need to be ambassadors to outsiders to produce the sum of all knowledge. Crying coi and sock is dysfunctional. Wikipedians in residence have been accused of coi before, how is that working out? A pivot to wikidata as prework can be productive.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 9:52 AM V C <[email protected]> wrote: > I’m not sure what you mean by “ > you could council outsiders in productive ways of working with wikipedia.” > They would just be accused of socking if they worked on her page. > > HTTPS://viki.wiki > > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 8:27 AM J Hayes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> you could council outsiders in productive ways of working with wikipedia. >> but instead we have repeated use of technical tools to deal with people >> problems. >> >> so no - no validation from me. rest assured , There will be >> consequences for the bitey behavior. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 7:04 PM V C <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> We have declared all multiple accounts of people brought in with no COI >>> only to be accused of socking. Is there a “correct” way to handle this? >>> >>> HTTPS://viki.wiki >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: V C <[email protected]> >>> Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 6:53 PM >>> Subject: Fwd: Rambling Rambler userspace harrassment, edit warring, >>> hounding, suppression of women's achievements on wikipedia >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Edit warring affecting women artists >>> >>> >>> victoria campbell <http://victoriacampbell.io> >>> +12108975814 >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: V C <[email protected]> >>> Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 6:49 PM >>> Subject: Rambling Rambler userspace harrassment, edit warring, hounding, >>> suppression of women's achievements on wikipedia >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Can anyone give advice on this? I am writing from a gallery trying to >>> update pages with contributions from recent scholarship and the other >>> editors are SPA's with good intent but new. We have faced serious hounding, >>> harassment, etc, and any attempt to declare COI or SPA is subject to >>> predictive policing of edits, not quality of content or sources. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> VC >>> >>> >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents >>> >>> This user has blanked out their talk page history which reveals repeated >>> persistent assumption of bad faith, repeated arbitrary or unmotivated >>> removal of any content without appropriate discussion or providing >>> explanation, filing incident reports intended to marginalize or ostracize, >>> stonewalling and the abuse of editor tools or other forms of algorithmic >>> governance to prevent deletion discussions or consensus. >>> >>> User is hounding expert editors with "evidence" as to canvassing, >>> sockpuppetry, etc, while masquerading as an administrator. This user is not >>> an administrator. >>> >>> Diff comparison exhibits the usual mistakes of a new editor and traces >>> of a clean start but no evidence of bad faith contribs from an >>> undesired fidelity >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=An_undesired_fidelity&action=edit&redlink=1> >>> >>> A call to improve pages related to Marcel Duchamp and his peers was >>> broadcast over art world mailing list with links to diffs. No specific >>> instruction to promote a certain point of view but the need to ensure >>> legacy sources already cited in article was emphasized. Materials (like >>> images) sourced from toutfait don't give proper attn to the scholarship >>> they are sourced from; this is in breach of fair use of these resources for >>> educational purposes. If Wikipedia wants to suppress recent scholarship, >>> they can pay royalties -- but I'm not the person they would be dealing with >>> to do so because I'm actually not affiliated beyond the art world with any >>> of these subjects, alive or dead. >>> >>> I have checked Wikipedia policy and this does not seem to be in >>> violation of rules, might be better to host an edit-a-thon than pull in new >>> editors but otherwise in the range of acceptable behavior on Wikipedia. >>> >>> Cloaked redirect to avoid discussion to delete >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spiritual_America&action=history> >>> despite >>> this affecting female-founded art gallery with notability for mounting >>> first presentation of artwork by Richard Prince >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Prince>; page erases women's >>> contributions to redirect to RP with a focus on illicit content rather than >>> historical exhibitions by well known artists of the Pictures Generation >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictures_Generation>. Ownership behavior. >>> >>> Rhonda Roland Shearer >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rhonda_Roland_Shearer&oldid=1316322946> >>> now >>> features unsourced lede, suppression of content, damage to context for >>> appreciation for 'womens work' >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rhonda_Roland_Shearer&oldid=1317112338> >>> ; Rambling Rambler >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rambling_Rambler&action=edit&redlink=1> >>> is >>> now calling for protected status of page after demonstrating ownership >>> behavior >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ownership_of_content#Examples_of_ownership_behavior> >>> with >>> no evidence of actual abuse wrt SPA <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPA>'s >>> or indication that updates to these pages was excessively promotional, >>> unbalanced >>> >>> this edit provides only empirical object data for this readymade >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hat_Rack_(Duchamp)>, but drafted >>> without concern for this work as currently part of an educational effort on >>> the part of many editors >>> >>> In advance of the broken arm >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=In_Advance_of_the_Broken_Arm&oldid=1316733103> >>> now >>> has a confusing photograph with questionable copyright: how is it a digital >>> rendering and also a photograph (with camera data)?? confusing as to how >>> this is an "ordinary manufactured object" >>> >>> LHOOQ >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L.H.O.O.Q.&oldid=1316838120> has >>> had its version history removed despite the size of the object referenced >>> in article is obviously too big to be a found postcard and so watered >>> down to previous version <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.H.O.O.Q.> >>> >>> This is but a selection of the biased, false, inaccurate or >>> inappropriate content, or hindering, impeding or otherwise hampering the >>> creation (and/or maintenance) of content that seems to be a pattern of >>> behavior for Rambling Rambler >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rambling_Rambler&action=edit&redlink=1> >>> . >>> >>> Asking for audit of sock accounts & quality of contributions be weighted >>> wrt pattern of revert warring on RRS page since July/August and lots of >>> hostility when "socks" are asked to disclose COI's. Unclear how a COI can >>> exist at the same time as copyright violations: either socks are working >>> for ppl that would give them permission to use pics for promotional >>> purposes, or pics are being used w/o permission and therefore no COI. >>> >>> Please pick one and consider the impact of these changes on the state of >>> the field and for the experience of new editors on wikipedia. >>> — Preceding unsigned >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures> comment added by >>> Alyssadavisgallery >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alyssadavisgallery> (talk >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alyssadavisgallery#top> • >>> contribs >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alyssadavisgallery> >>> ) 22:14, 16 October 2025 (UTC) >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Alyssadavisgallery-20251016221400-Rambling_Rambler_userspace_harrassment,_edit_warring,_hounding,_suppression_of_w> >>> Without comment as to the above complaint, I want to note that slightly >>> earlier I filed a sockpuppet investigation related to OP's account: >>> Wikipedia:Sockpuppet >>> investigations/An undesired fidelity >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/An_undesired_fidelity>. >>> — *rsjaffe* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rsjaffe> 🗣️ >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rsjaffe> 22:22, 16 October >>> 2025 (UTC) >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Rsjaffe-20251016222200-Alyssadavisgallery-20251016221400> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Clean_start all have the right >>> to clean start but userspace harrassment, hounding and abuse of consensus >>> are universally against conduct. I am getting involved because my IP is >>> used for multiple purposes by multiple people and am not connected to other >>> people trying to improve pages on the subject matter. Alyssadavisgallery >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alyssadavisgallery> (talk >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alyssadavisgallery>) 22:25, 16 >>> October 2025 (UTC) >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Alyssadavisgallery-20251016222500-Rsjaffe-20251016222200>You >>> were blocked, so, no, you do not, in fact, have the right to a clean start. >>> Any uninvolved administrator should feel free to close this nonsense >>> immediately. See User:An undesired fidelity >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:An_undesired_fidelity>. *Bgsu98* >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bgsu98> (Talk) >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bgsu98> 22:30, 16 October 2025 >>> (UTC) >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Bgsu98-20251016223000-Alyssadavisgallery-20251016222500> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> victoria campbell <http://victoriacampbell.io> >>> +12108975814 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/gendergap.lists.wikimedia.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/gendergap.lists.wikimedia.org/
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