On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:

> --On Monday, November 10, 2003 21:05:16 +0000 Stephen Colebourne
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > What I see and what I fear is having the control of the projects which I
> > currently have being taken away and placed in the hands of people who have
> > committed no code, have answered no user queries, don't use the language
> > (Java) and have no sense of the complex component history and personality
> > matrix of the commons community.
>
> I think you're missing the fact that you'd (or any other sizable committers
> on the projects that would migrate over) be on the Apache Commons PMC if
> you were to bring a project here.  So, you would be legally empowered to
> control the project.

Gonna repeat a point, but would like it recorded here too. If we come over
to Apache Commons PMC, we have to share control with people who are not
part of the community [from our current mindset].

There could also be a fear that we'll be lead by a small elite of non-J-C
members in how a PMC works.

> The whole point is to *legally* and *ethically* return control to the
> committers by having them on the PMC - not to have the power vested in some
> remote bureaucratic entity like it is in Jakarta.  -- justin

Which is being solved. If the issue is legal, then the board should be
telling J-C it must move to A-C, not offering a legal/ethical solution for
them to move to. Does 'legal' allow for greyness? ie) Jakarta is
less-legal, but still legal?

Hen

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