Hey Doug, On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Doug Cutting wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> I am saying that the current members of the Apache Software Foundation's >> Hadoop >> Project Management Committee exhibit the characteristics (not just during >> discrete events; it's been happening for a long time) of folks who in reality >> shouldn't belong to the same project management committee. Note: this is >> NOT a bad thing. There are probably plenty of (sub-)sets of groups at Apache >> and elsewhere that folks wouldn't fit in to. I've enumerated some of >> those characteristics that you can see sometimes spill over >> (meta thought discussions about moving things around; or drawing arbitrary >> lines around pieces of code that really have nothing to do with technical >> stuff, and more to do about insulating and control;), > > Hadoop's community is not perfect. But the divisions in the community > are not primarily aligned with subcomponent boundaries. A project > split will thus not likely fix the majority of these community > imperfections. It may fix some, but ought to be pursued carefully so > that it doesn't cause more harm than good. My own personal opinion of this is that yeah they aren't necessarily aligned subcomponent boundaries too so +1 agree with you. > >> but there are also other >> concerns such as frameworks put in to place (exclusivity amongst others) >> that themselves are pretty high indicators that this is an umbrella project. > > The partitioning of committers has now been removed in a separate > vote. Hadoop is not a classic umbrella project. Despite me thinking that's a band-aid it's probably at least a good start. Let's hope it leads to some better interactions amongst the community members and to better health overall. Cheers, Chris ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
