Ted Leung wrote: > I don't know that I agree completely with you about the role of PMC > Chairs - sometimes a good PMC chair helps a project quite a bit....
As the Chair? Or as a recognized leader by his or her peers based upon the weight of experience and ideas, rather than the official role? I'm banking on the latter. > > Projects should not be trained to rely upon an individual; they > > should be trained to act collaboratively. > This is a very convincing argument to me, especially since people > without open source experience are already trained to look for who's > in charge. In fact, one long-time PMC Chair (no longer one) has opined that a PMC Chair should not participate in discussions because whenever the PMC Chair participates, it is the role that is perceived as participating, rather than the individual. Other people have commented that they realize that they are growing within the ASF when they are comfortable disagreeing with one of the "big-names", and some of the same "big-names" have commented that they respect people more when they do just that, because so few people do. I, obviously, disagree with the idea that a PMC Chair should be a non-participant, but I do agree that helping to train people to perceive people and their ideas, not the roles they hold (or the reputation of their name), is an important part of what we should be doing. Everyone should feel that they have as much right to speak up as anyone else, and that what matters in the end are the ideas that we bring forth, and our collorative actions to bring them to fruition. Not who we are, nor what (legal) role we hold. > Count me as mulling it over some more. In an ironic riposte regarding using IRC, a number of us had this discussion on IRC in mid-March. I could ask permission from the participants to post the ~50KB log of that discussion from a members only channel, but instead I will commit to redacting the overall content in a fashion suitable for posting here. This proves, once again, that if we don't document our history, we are condemned to repeat it. :-) --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]