I am not going to argue this either way, as this is mostly subjective. I
will point out that Qpid does have a steady stream of people that are
not associated with any of the existing committiers including some new
folks starting to provide patches as recently as last week. This would
indicate to me that the Qpid comminuty will continue to grow. Thank you
for your consideration in our Graduation.
regards
Carl
Scott Deboy wrote:
I would expect to see proof of qpid's ability to grow their committership and
build a user community before leaving the incubator. There's no track record
of either at the moment.
According to incubator-general mail archives, qpid voted in 4 committers since
April of 2007. Additionally, those folks don't appear active on the qpid
developer list.
The 'diversity' question was partially answered, but it's still a concern for me.
I imagine it'll be hard to attract new folks to qpid when they're mostly
corporate-sponsored, and some of those sponsorships -can't- be transparent to
the ASF. They'll probably be able to attract committers, but the new
committers will probably come from other corporate sponsors.
Scott Deboy
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Yoav Shapira
Sent: Fri 3/21/2008 4:52 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re:
[VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At this point the Apache Qpid community with support from its mentors feels
that
> it is ready to graduate to an official top level project at Apache
but another voice asks: are they really ready today? has the IPMC
fully equipped them for the chanlleges ahead? do they really
understand how to mentor new independent developers into committers
and PMCers? is the diversity sufficient to have learnt how to have
disagreements on technical matters whilst retaining community spirit?
It's a hard call for me as well. The technical bits are all there,
processes followed, paperwork filed, etc. More importantly, the qpid
community has been open, receptive to feedback from everyone inside
and outside their group, welcoming to new opinions from new people,
and respectful of ASF spirit, not just its letter. There are
disagreements and debates on various technical matters without hurting
the community. That's why I support their graduation.
It would have been really nice if one or two more committers from new
organizations had been added during the previous few months, but that
didn't happen. But I don't think the fact the committers come from a
small set of organizations necessarily means there's no diversity.
And I don't want to introduce artificial requirements. The "are they
really ready" question is subjective by definition, and it's a good
one, but I still vote +1 ;)
Yoav
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