On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > <snip> > > > That would make the PPMC be about 50% IBM day job and 50% (non IBMers > or > > IBM non-day jobers). Can we take it to a private list if anyone wants a > > detailed breakdown? > > +1 > > IMO the IPMC is wrong to ask for named affiliations in public. > contractual information is potentially confidential and should be > discussed only in private. all that should be needed in public are > aggregate statistics. > > IMHO the emphasis on committer affiliation is misguided. overloading > the word diversity was also probably a mistake. maybe we need to focus > on narrower concepts with alternative names. > > 1. the incubator should be concerned about the composition of the > proposed PMC. PMC conveys voting rights and control of the project > going forward. independent committers are fine but if these are not > being enfranchised then this should be a concern. so the aggregation > distribution of affiliations of PPMC members should be of interest. i > don't care what the affliation is, just the aggregate stats. > > 2. for a top level project to succeed, it needs to be able to > encrourage, recruit and mentor new independent developers. unless a > project demonstrates the ability to recruit new independent > developers, it is not ready to graduate. so, i would like to know how > many new independent committers the project has developed, am > interested in the quantity of code they've contributed and whether > they are on the PPMC. again, i don't care about their affiliations. > Some answers to these: Here is the timeline of new committers additions to Tuscany: 2008-04-16 Vote to add Wang Feng as Tuscany committer 2008-03-26 Vote to add Giorgio Zoppi as Tuscany committer 2007-11-19 Vote to add Rajini Sivaram as Tuscany committer 2007-11-01 Vote to add Mark Combellack as Tuscany committer 2007-10-21 Vote to add Michael Yoder as Tuscany committer 2007-10-08 Vote to add Amita Vadhavkar as a new committer 2007-09-19 Vote to add Simon Nash as a new committer 2007-08-21 Vote to add Brady Johnson as a new committer 2007-07-12 Vote to add Fuhwei Lwo as a new committer 2007-05-01 Vote to add Andy Grove as a new committer 2007-04-03 Vote to add Adriano Crestani as a new committer 2007-01-22 Vote to add Simon Laws as a new committer 2006-11-15 Vote to add Geoffrey Winn as a new committer 2006-11-10 Vote to add Luciano Resende as a new commiter 2006-11-07 Vote to add Rajith Attapattu 2006-09-29 Vote to add Ignacio Silva-Lepe as a new committer 2006-09-18 Vote to add Venkata Krishnan as a new committer 2006-08-10 Vote to add Andrew Borley as a new committer 2006-08-07 Vote to add Meeraj Kunnumpurath as a new committer 2006-08-07 Vote to add Kelvin Goodson as a new committer 2006-08-06 Vote to add Brent Daniel as a new committer 2006-08-04 Vote to add Raymond Feng as a new committer 2006-05-02 Vote to add Dan Kulp as a new committer 2006-03-01 Vote to add Ant Elder as a new committer So thats 24 new committers over the two and a bit years of incubation, about one new committer every month or two. Of those, 12 were IBMers, 12 were independents or non-paid job IBMers. The actual quantity of code each of those have done is harder to say but using the dates on that list if you trawl around in the tuscany-private archives you can see the discussion around each nomination and I think be satisfied each was justified. Not all those have become PPMC members (yet), some committers don't stay active and we've had PPMC membership take a little longer and require a bit more commitment to the project, but as mentioned earlier on this thread the Tuscany PPMC currently has 15 members, about 50% IBM day job and 50% (non IBMers or IBM non-day jobers). ...ant
