On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Leo Simons <m...@leosimons.com> wrote: > PS: +1 to start incubation obviously. The record is 2 weeks set for > MerlinDeveloper back in 2003...you have 9 days left to try and beat it
That is kind of incorrect. MerlinDeveloper went through Incubation, in what we today call IP Clearance, i.e. 'code import with a single developer', so the comparison is not accurate. Either way, I am very happy to see Greg being as patient as he is. Kudos! Having a release process that is more stringent than ASF's norm, managing a high rate of releases, having all the experience of ~15 years in Apache releases, and then getting lectured by Incubator Process Riders can't feel very constructive. Some people seem to forget that ASF releases are not flawless (since it is software it is almost by definition, it seems), neither code-wise nor legally. The real value of ASF is that we try out best, and will take corrective action in case we find a problem. But so does many other communities. And IMHO, when we are dealing with a community that has a user base, equal to or greater than the largest of our own projects (my guess is that only Httpd and indirectly therefor APR) has more users than Subversion, then we need to adjust our behavior to accommodate the special needs that exists; frequent releases, in fact a cornerstone in our amibitions; "Release Early, Release Often". Subversion has made (if I count correctly, skipping 1.0.x) made 32 releases in a bit more than 4 years, shall we say 4-6 weeks per release, or possibly about the same time it takes us to approve a release... :-( If anything, I think we (the Incubator) have something to learn from these projects, more than the other way around. So, get off your high horses and start thinking again... I am ashamed of us... Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
