I have no idea why the term "Board" even comes up in your response. What's that got to do with my problems with the IPMC attempting to impose make-work on the svn podling?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:03, William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote: > Greg Stein wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:59, William A. Rowe, Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net> >> wrote: >>> Greg Stein wrote: >>>> >>>> Podlings should be shepherded *out* rather than held *in*. >>> Hmmm... here you go again. Do you really believe there's a mentor here >>> who doesn't want to be 'done' with their task at hand, offering up a >>> functioning project for graduation? Mentors -do- exactly this, which >>> is why your rants continue to read as disingenuous and insulting. >> >> I'm not talking about mentors' desire to do this. I'm talking about >> the structures that appear to be in place which work *against* >> incubation and graduation. >> >> And if you want to call a rant against meaningless constraints and >> bureaucracy "insulting", then I'm okay with that. > > The fact is that mentors fix the process when it's broke. If there is > useless/worthless/redundant process going on here, then terrific! Tell > us, as a voice of the Board, what the Board is telling us we can drop. > > Or said another way, "patches welcome". > > I'm all for less work and less hassles. We would be happy to rubber stamp > our way all the way through graduation, if we believed that it build the > projects which would remain viable and preserve ASF culture into this > coming decade. > >>> We are glad the board has such confidence that the Incubator is producing >>> effect meritocracies that collaborate effectively. If your's is not the >>> minority opinion, there is a much larger 'Insanity' thread to begin, which >>> starts with [VOTE] and ends in "Dissolve Incubator?" >> >> My point above was the Board, at least in the past(*), has *not* been >> happy about the average duration. Go poll the Board today, if you'd >> like. > > Happiness and constructive feedback are orthogonal here. The board (or one > or more board members) have rang in on specific issues, and helped make some > problems go away, and created others. Feel free to constructively participate > in refining that process. > >> AFAIK, the Board has never expressed a lack of confidence in the >> Incubator, other than duration. > > That's good to hear, now bring us more suggestions that don't stack on > additional bureaucracy or bullet items to the process :) But don't sit and > holler that what has evolved is worthless. Launch a constructive dialog > about fine tuning it; evolution is an ongoing process. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
