According to Clutch [1] the project has added 8 committers since it entered incubation. Regarding diversity, committers from over four organizations are actively involved in Flume development, which is pretty healthy. There does seem to be a need to have more diversity at the PPMC level, however, so that's something that could be worked on.
Tom [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > > On May 24, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > >> >> On May 24, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Ralph Goers >>> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>wrote: >>> >>>> The ONLY issue I see for Flume to graduate is diversity. No one will >>>> convince me that the current makeup constitutes diversity of any kind. >>>> >>>> Perhaps I shouldn't have brought up the mailing list issues as that was >>>> only meant in the spirit of trying to offer some advice on how more >>>> diversity could be achieved. Flume is really the only community I >>>> participate in that contains Cloudera employees so I do find myself >>>> wondering if the way the project is run is because that is the way all >>>> projects with a large number of Cloudera employees are run. That might >>>> make all of those participants comfortable but might create a barrier to >>>> others. >>>> >>> >>> Here are the committers who have been active in the past three months: >>> >>> * Brock Noland (Cloudera) >>> * Hari Shreedharan (Cloudera) >>> * Jarek Jarcec Cecho (AVG Technologies) >>> * Juhani Connolly (CyberAgent) >>> * Mike Percy (Cloudera) >>> * Mingjie Lai (Trend Micro) >>> * Prasad Mujumdar (Cloudera) >>> * Will McQueen (Cloudera) >>> * Arvind Prabhakar (Cloudera) >>> >>> There are four companies represented in this list: AVG Technologies, >>> Cloudera, CyberAgent and Trend Micro. Compared to other projects that have >>> successfully graduated from Incubator in the past, this meets the diversity >>> requirements very well. >> >> I was mistaken and the list above is indeed correct. For some reason I >> thought a couple of them had become Cloudera employees. >> >> However, none of those three are currently on the PPMC. When you look at >> the PPMC list you should also include a few more Cloudera people who do >> participate in release votes and PPMC issues. Most, if not all, of the >> non-Cloudera PMC members don't. > > I started reading some of the Flume website and I think that when you go to > the main Wiki page: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLUME/Index > > When you click on the "Flume Cookbook" the resource is at cloudera.org. > > http://archive.cloudera.com/cdh/3/flume/Cookbook/ > > This page lists "flume-...@cloudera.org" and is a file with a revision dated > May 7, 2012. > > You can make you own conclusions, but it looks like podling resources need to > be migrated to the ASF. > > Regards, > Dave > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> In any case - I'm not insisting that the way the project is run needs to >>>> change. I'm simply saying I cannot support graduation with the current >>>> makeup of the committers and PMC. I don't have a hard and fast ratio - >>>> gaining 10 new unaffiliated committers who don't do much isn't nearly as >>>> good as 2 or 3 who are very active. Ultimately the project needs to figure >>>> out how to solve this. >>>> >>> >>> Stating that some committers "who don't do much isn't nearly as good as 2 >>> or 3 who are very active" is an unfair characterization. This is more >>> unfair for those who are part of the project but have not been active >>> lately due to whatever reasons, but have played a foundational role in >>> getting the project to a point where it is today. I think they are as >>> important as any other committer who may be very active at the moment. >>> Merit once earned, never expires [1]. >>> >>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#committer-set-term >> >> I think you misunderstood my point or I didn't state it very well. >> Diversity isn't achieved simply by having bodies. IOW I am not suggesting >> offering commit rights to people who haven't earned it just to meet some >> ratio. However, I am not suggesting the project has ever even considered >> doing that. >> >> Ralph >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
