On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Bernd Fondermann < > bernd.fonderm...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitt...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> This is exactly what we did for the last months (years, actually). >> Give it yet more time. >> Honestly, I don't understand why we should continue in this mode "for >> another few months" when it failed for the past years. >> Is this the extra-bonus IPMC time > > > Thinking in general not on this specific case, may be we can define a > formal warning for retirement for podlings where the PPMC has to come up > with a concrete plans for the next six months and some measurable goals. > Once the formal warning is issued, it can be processed by the clutch [1] > and also show the elapsed time. In 3 months, 6 months, 9 months mentors and > IPMC can decide whether to remove the warning or not. After one year, if > there is no significant change and the goals are not archived, IPMC can > easily decide in favor of retirement because they know the history of the > issue. At the same time, every three months until retirement PPMC will be > notified that they are still under the warning (I think this is somewhat > happening even now, as I've seen from Jukka's replies to the board > reports), so they will have reasonable time to take action. Of course, we > don't need a process like this in the case of the PPMC unanimously agree > for retirement.
The first sign of a broken organization is when it decides to add more process to "fix" things. I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement was raised. A lengthy discussion ensued. Consensus was garnered. We even added committers with the hopes of infusing new energy into the project. It had no effect. Regards, Alan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
