On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Tim Williams <william...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> >> wrote: >>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Tim Williams <william...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> FWIW, I feel the same. I'd rather see 'did not report' and let the >>>> IPMC look for that pattern. Maybe just have your template generator >>>> default to DNR in the text? >>> >>> +1 on defaulting to DNR. >>> >>> How about sending out the whole Incubator report to all podling dev lists, >>> every month? That way the DNR shows up without an IPMC member having to >>> notice and take action. But in addition, it increases podling exposure to >>> other projects and to the ASF at large. >>> >>> An alternative is to send it out to only the podlings that are reporting >>> for a >>> cycle, but that's more work and doesn't serve the purpose of connecting the >>> podling to being in the Incubator quite so cleanly. >> >> >> I feel all that we are all volunteers, that podlings are volunteers >> who don't necessarily have their organizational act together, and that >> calling them out for DNR is not a very effective technique to >> providing the supervision that we, as a PMC, are on the hook for. So >> I'm inclined for now to nag, and to spend a few minutes making that >> job less labor-intensive. > > I'm beginning to think your mind's made up and the original question > was a pleasantry, but in case not...
At this point I'm cogitating. > > I hold a different view of things. While I think that we, ok you, are > on the hook for a board report, we've (PMC) delegated[1] the reporting > of each podling to the mentors that we approved for that podling. We > aren't "calling out the podling" as DNR - we're calling out their > mentor as DNR. If there's additional nags to go out, I'd do my > "default to DNR" and send the nag to the mentors directly. > > Ultimately, making that job less labor-intensive involves getting > mentors and would-be-mentors to realize they can't simply go around > spewing their seeds as absentee fathers - it's a real commitment; to > the podling and to the foundation. Shucks, keeping a record of > deadbeat mentors would prolly help... > > In the end though, you've a thankless and tough job, so consider these > as constructive thoughts to be readily ignored in favor of whatever it > takes to get your job done:) > > Thanks, > --tim > > [1] - > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
