On a whole different direction, one way to "scale" is to shift from Incubator-managed podlings to Board-managed. The podling would effectively be a "TLP on probation". The Champion, Mentors, and Board would be providing oversight.
I would posit that the Board is more capable of oversight than the IPMC. The Directors have signed up to spend a lot of time -- more than we expect of most volunteers. Not to mention the Board reviews 50+ reports every month. Another five won't kill the Board :-P Thus, I might suggest that a proposed-podling may want to try the above approach. (I dunno if the Board would agree, but somebody has to formally ask!) Cheers, -g On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote: > The problem that most podlings I've been involved with, whilst having > six mentors, have ended up with just me playing any part. On paper, it > looks like these podlings are in a great place, in fact, they only have > a single active mentor. > > What is wanted is to know who is, and who isn't active. To spot > problems. Benson's idea is to say that a simple 'I'm here' message would > really help the incubator PMC. I'd agree with that. The question is, > who's job is it to track all this. Should the PMC go look and do all the > leg-work, or should projects and their mentors take some of the load? > Really, the more responsibility is centralised, the less the incubator > will scale. Looking for ways that mentors can show their involvement is > a good thing. I guess that could be automated (grep through mail > archives for mentor email addresses each month), but until that happens, > I'd say it would be a good thing for mentors/champions to take some of > that load off the incubator PMC. It need merely be a reply to a Marvin > 'are you there' email. > > Upayavira > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013, at 04:37 PM, Tim Williams wrote: >> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > There was a consensus to add the Champion role, and we haven't even >> > tried it seriously, and now you propose to eliminate it. That doesn't >> > seem reasonable to me. I'd rather try to make it useful and then >> > evaluate it. In other words, +1 to Bertrand. >> > >> > 'Holding mentors to their responsibility' as a completely generic >> > concept is an idea that constantly fails to reach a consensus, due to >> > the 'volunteer dilemma'. >> > >> > For others in this thread, I completely disagree that a monthly one >> > line edit to the XML file or a one line email is an unreasonable >> > burden. >> >> Fair enough, disagree. >> >> > Any mentor, let alone champion, for whom that is an >> > unreasonable burden should not have signed up in the first place. >> >> That's unfair. I signed up to *mentor* not send silly heartbeat >> checks that exist because other podling's mentors failed to live up to >> their responsibility. This feels beyond the minimal governance >> necessary and a solution to the wrong problem. It'd helpful to say >> precisely what problem that this heartbeat is intended to solve, in >> that way, we are afforded the opportunity to propose an alternative >> solution - for example, by focusing on highlighting the problem >> mentors/podlings. >> >> Thanks, >> --tim >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
