On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:58 AM, Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com> wrote: > > On May 7, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On a whole different direction, one way to "scale" is to shift from >> Incubator-managed podlings to Board-managed. The podling would >> effectively be a "TLP on probation". The Champion, Mentors, and Board >> would be providing oversight. >> >> I would posit that the Board is more capable of oversight than the >> IPMC. The Directors have signed up to spend a lot of time -- more than >> we expect of most volunteers. Not to mention the Board reviews 50+ >> reports every month. Another five won't kill the Board :-P >> >> Thus, I might suggest that a proposed-podling may want to try the >> above approach. (I dunno if the Board would agree, but somebody has to >> formally ask!) > > This pre-supposes that the problem is the IPMC and not the mentors. If the > board members have the spare time to work on incubators then I recommend they > come over to the IPMC and help out.
There is a difference in responsibilities. The Board would review, and would shut it down if it goes wrong. That is very different from stepping in to directly guide. If the probationary TLP is not functioning properly (mentors/champion/podling are not up to par), then it will get noticed. I think the IPMC doesn't really notice/correct for this, so yeah: that *is* my pre-supposition. I also think the Board is capable of doing this, rather than needing the IPMC layer between the podling and the Board. I also feel reporting directly to the Board is necessary education. And part of the difference is that the Board reviews/discusses the reports. The IPMC does not have any discussion. The shepherds may set off some discussion, so they are a good way to try and get some IPMC-level review/discussion going. Note: this approach absolutely follows your basic point: Mentors need to step up and do what they volunteered for. There is nobody to fill in for their absence, other than the probationary TLP itself. The Board certainly will not be doing any hand-holding. (and they might be a bit more ruthless than the IPMC) Cheers, -g --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
