You go girl! Spot on. Sent from my iPhone
On May 8, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com> wrote: > > On May 7, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com> wrote: >>> ...Let's get rid of champions and shepherds and hold the mentors to their >>> responsibilities.... >> >> The problem with mentors is when you have 5 of them it's unclear who's >> in charge exactly. > > Why does someone need to be in charge? The real problem is that we have five > mentors four, or more, of which do not do the job to which they signed up for. > > All we're doing is shuffling responsibilities around with the hopes that the > next person will be more responsible than the previous one. > >> The goal of the champion's role clarification was to have a single >> point of contact and responsibility for contacts with the incubator >> PMC - similar to a project's PMC chair role. >> >> So basically you have: >> >> A champion, who's a mentor, but also the primary point of contact with >> the IPMC, makes sure reports are done in time and watches the podling >> for lack of mentoring if that happens. >> >> Mentors, who are primarily tasked with coaching the podling. > > I'm hearing Benson's proposal accurately rephrased. > > We're pushing responsibilities which seemed "too much" for three or more > mentors over to a single mentor and diluting the responsibilities into > non-accountable tasks such as coaching. > > What I'm worried about is that were merely shuffling responsibilities around > without really coming to a consensus as to what to do when volunteers don't > do the job they signed up for. Until we have an answer for that we'll > continuously have this conversation every other quarter as we shuffle > responsibilities around again. > > The myth that we seem to be holding dear is that we cannot hold volunteers > accountable for the tasks they signed up for. Maybe if we did hold > volunteers accountable , they would take their responsibilities seriously and > we would have a clearer picture as to what kind of help to expect as we > discuss the IPMCs problems. > > > Regards, > Alan > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
