Yeah, sorry Joe. There have been many of us who tried to do this over the years. You are correct that you also championed a number of people as did some others possibly before and certainly after the ones I championed.
My apologies, I didn't intend to take credit, only indicate that the IPMC as a whole has voted to do this on occasion and the world didn't implode. Would it cause problems if it were a more common activity? I don't think so, not if we took other measures to manage the "too many cooks" problem. Again, sorry for using wording that implied I own the entirety of the vision here. That was not my intention. These ideas have developed through the collaboration of the IPMC as a whole over the years. Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Senior Technology Evangelist Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation On 8 November 2013 07:57, Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: > No offense Ross but give me a break. While I’m > glad to see my initial ideas gain so much traction > in the incubator now that people no longer remember > where they come from, and even are willing to falsely > claim credit for them, but this whole idea of populating > the IPMC with ordinary podling participants has been > going on for years now under the experiment I started. > The typical negative argument against this came from Bill > Wrowe who felt that these people were unqualified to > be able to cast binding decisions during things like > podling graduations, but I have seen no indication that > such folks overstep their welcome in real life. > > In any case the concept has my +1, the harder part is > to find a process that will ensure appropriate people > actually do get recognized. > > On Nov 7, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> > wrote: > > > On 7 November 2013 11:20, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Marvin Humphrey < > mar...@rectangular.com > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> The Incubator has a fundamental structural flaw: it lacks a mechanism > to > >>> reward merit earned by individual podling contributors. Instead, we > >> teach > >>> people to hate the Incubator by placing their projects at the mercy of > >>> Mentors. Our Mentors care, but they don't care enough. They don't > care > >>> like > >>> core developers care. > >>> > >> > >> Nominate these meritorious contributors as IPMC members. > >> > > > > +1 This is exactly what I have been proposing the incubator do for a very > > long time. In fact I set the precedent by having two podling committers > > voted onto the IPMC as an experiment. > > > > That experiment proved very successful (both helped with other podlings > and > > both are now Members of the foundation). > > > > That successful experiment should become part of the incubation process. > > > > Ross > > > > PS and yes I do see the need for me, as a mentor, of Alura to make this > > happen. I did discuss the projects strategy with project members a week > > ago. Not found the time to follow up yet but I would suggest highlighting > > individuals in a negative rather than positive light is not the way to > > encourage volunteers to find time > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
