On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> ...I think the IPMC is doing almost all of the above better. Everything 
>> except for "Failed". I think that
>> now we are blaming the mentor. Let's get over it. Not every podling will 
>> work....
> 
> That's distinct concerns IMO: some podlings are failing and no mentor
> can save them, but there are also podlings that would be doing better
> if they had sufficiently active mentors.

And that depends on mentors who are sufficiently interested with enough time 
and also the type of mentoring required. Maybe it is community help or it could 
be release help.

> 
> Also, from the point of view of oversight, the IPMC needs a way to
> find out how podlings are doing, and that's delegated to mentors.
> Failing that, poor IPMC volunteers have to step up and that gets
> boring over time.

So we have Shepherds as delegates from the IPMC to take a look every so often. 
It is a Role that is more like a scout. We've had Shepherds report Mentor 
issues, Release issues, Community issues.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> -Bertrand
> 
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