On 03.08.2015 21:51, Julian Hyde wrote: > In my experience incubating Calcite, the “overhead” was mostly the > infrastructure and process, not politics. (If you think the incubator is > political, you haven’t seen politics…) The process is necessary (mostly) to > ensure clean IP. The infrastructure, less so. So, if we’re talking about how > to reduce the burden on podlings, those are the areas I would focus on. > > Roman’s proposed reform places more responsibility on podling PMCs and, by > implication, the mentors embedded in those PMCs.
At the end of the day, it *is* the mentors' responsibility. The IPMC mostly gets involved after the fact. > I am not sure how well that would work in practice given the ongoing problem > of absentee mentors. The IPMC epitomizes the “it takes a village to raise a > child”, in particular with village elders stepping in with help/advice from > time to time. It would be a shame to lose that. There's no need to lose that. But it would be a really good idea to lose the village spinster who makes the child afraid of the dark and monsters under the bed ... -- Brane >> On Aug 3, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> " This is that proverbial "political overhead" that a lot of folks are >> accusing ASF of and cite as a reason of not going into the foundation. Which >> is grossly unfair at the board level, but unfortunately seems to be very >> true at IPMC level today." >> >> +1000 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: shaposh...@gmail.com [mailto:shaposh...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman >> Shaposhnik >> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 12:13 PM >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the >> Apache Incubator) >> >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Joe Brockmeier <j...@zonker.net> wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015, at 10:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >>>> I've been waiting for a bout a week for other to chime in, but it >>>> seems that nobody has so I'll repeat my question as of a week ago: >>>> what would be the effective way to change the status quo around IPMC >>>> an make it more board like? >>>> >>>> Perhaps we can start from making the release policy actually make >>>> sense along the lines that Ross has outlined. I guess I can propose a >>>> change to the current policies (or to Ross' >>>> point just get it back from the wayback machine :-)). >>>> >>>> But seriously, who else thinks the movement towards empowering PPMCs >>>> and making IPMC very much like the board makes sense? >>> I think the thread fizzled because there's not a lot of support for >>> the idea. At least, on my end, I'm not in favor. >> Yup. I believe this to be an unfortunate (at least from my standpoint) but >> and extremely fair observation. >> >> As far as I'm concerned the issue of R&Rs of IPMC is in a state of a >> stalemate right now. We clearly have a "everything's fine lets just add more >> policy" constituency vs. "IPMC should be small and more board like" crowd. >> >> The good news is that we're all united on making sure that the foundation is >> growing by podlings making progress and graduating to TLPs. The bad news is >> that because of the current mentality I don't see the types of unfortunate >> threads that Ignite just went through going away anytime soon. >> >> This is that proverbial "political overhead" that a lot of folks are >> accusing ASF of and cite as a reason of not going into the foundation. Which >> is grossly unfair at the board level, but unfortunately seems to be very >> true at IPMC level today. >> >> It is clear to me that the change has very little chance of coming from >> within IPMC. >> >> Thanks, >> Roman. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
