Who are the village spinsters?
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote: > On 03.08.2015 21:51, Julian Hyde wrote: > > In my experience incubating Calcite, the “overhead” was mostly the > infrastructure and process, not politics. (If you think the incubator is > political, you haven’t seen politics…) The process is necessary (mostly) to > ensure clean IP. The infrastructure, less so. So, if we’re talking about > how to reduce the burden on podlings, those are the areas I would focus on. > > > > Roman’s proposed reform places more responsibility on podling PMCs and, > by implication, the mentors embedded in those PMCs. > > At the end of the day, it *is* the mentors' responsibility. The IPMC > mostly gets involved after the fact. > > > I am not sure how well that would work in practice given the ongoing > problem of absentee mentors. The IPMC epitomizes the “it takes a village to > raise a child”, in particular with village elders stepping in with > help/advice from time to time. It would be a shame to lose that. > > There's no need to lose that. But it would be a really good idea to lose > the village spinster who makes the child afraid of the dark and monsters > under the bed ... > > -- Brane > > > >> On Aug 3, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > >> > >> " This is that proverbial "political overhead" that a lot of folks are > accusing ASF of and cite as a reason of not going into the foundation. > Which is grossly unfair at the board level, but unfortunately seems to be > very true at IPMC level today." > >> > >> +1000 > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: shaposh...@gmail.com [mailto:shaposh...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Roman Shaposhnik > >> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 12:13 PM > >> To: general@incubator.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite > from the Apache Incubator) > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Joe Brockmeier <j...@zonker.net> wrote: > >>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015, at 10:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > >>>> I've been waiting for a bout a week for other to chime in, but it > >>>> seems that nobody has so I'll repeat my question as of a week ago: > >>>> what would be the effective way to change the status quo around IPMC > >>>> an make it more board like? > >>>> > >>>> Perhaps we can start from making the release policy actually make > >>>> sense along the lines that Ross has outlined. I guess I can propose a > >>>> change to the current policies (or to Ross' > >>>> point just get it back from the wayback machine :-)). > >>>> > >>>> But seriously, who else thinks the movement towards empowering PPMCs > >>>> and making IPMC very much like the board makes sense? > >>> I think the thread fizzled because there's not a lot of support for > >>> the idea. At least, on my end, I'm not in favor. > >> Yup. I believe this to be an unfortunate (at least from my standpoint) > but and extremely fair observation. > >> > >> As far as I'm concerned the issue of R&Rs of IPMC is in a state of a > stalemate right now. We clearly have a "everything's fine lets just add > more policy" constituency vs. "IPMC should be small and more board like" > crowd. > >> > >> The good news is that we're all united on making sure that the > foundation is growing by podlings making progress and graduating to TLPs. > The bad news is that because of the current mentality I don't see the types > of unfortunate threads that Ignite just went through going away anytime > soon. > >> > >> This is that proverbial "political overhead" that a lot of folks are > accusing ASF of and cite as a reason of not going into the foundation. > Which is grossly unfair at the board level, but unfortunately seems to be > very true at IPMC level today. > >> > >> It is clear to me that the change has very little chance of coming from > within IPMC. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Roman. > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Best regards, - Andy Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein (via Tom White)
