On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:19 PM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 6:16 AM, John D. Ament <john.d.am...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 6:04 PM Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 4:06 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 4:57 PM Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 8:26 AM, John D. Ament < > johndam...@apache.org> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >... > >> > > > >> > > > Graduation Guide > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > >> > > > > >> > > > Added a link to the Maturity Model as a step to follow for > >> graduation. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > There has been past controversy on including that as a graduation > step. > >> > I'm > >> > > not clear that was a proper addition. Every discussion has said > that it > >> > can > >> > > be used as a *guide*, rather than as a checklist. > >> > > >> > I argued myself into adding this one. While I don't disagree with > your > >> > perspective, every time a podling graduates it comes up from board > >> > members. > >> > >> > >> Some Directors != The Board > >> > >> The Board has never required the IPMC to use the APMM as a requirement > for > >> graduation. And, I don't recall the IPMC making that requirement either. > >> > >> > >> > The IPMC did not prepare the maturity model, yet somehow it > >> > applies to podlings planning to graduate. > >> > > >> > >> Says who? > >> > >> > >> > I'll point out that the page itself states this is only a guide, not a > >> > > >> > >> On graduation.html, you list "Complete the Apache Project Maturity > Model" > >> as one of the preparation steps. That does not sound like a guide. > >> > >> policy. So I don't think we've changed Incubator policy by adding a > link. > >> > > >> > >> By listing it like that on the graduation page, it is de facto policy. > >> > >> > >> > I could see it being stated as more of "compare the podlings actions > and > >> > behaviors against the maturity model. I could also see it moving into > >> the > >> > "Other Issues" section of the guide instead of the checklist section. > >> > > >> > Thoughts? > >> > > >> > >> Personally, I'd be fine with the link under "Other Issues". Something > like > >> "You may find the APMM a useful guide, to look at different factors in > your > >> podling's community." (<waves-hand> on phrasing) > >> > >> > > I think at this point, we're just arguing semantics. I've drafted the > > following for the other issues section. I've removed it from the > checklist > > section. > > The feedback I consistently get from all the podlings I mentor is that > it would be really great if our documentation clearly separated policy > from advice. In fact, having two separate documents is what they > all seem to have in mind. Today we have guides which are pretty verbose > and mix the two. > I've gotten the same type of questions. The problem is that this line already exists in the graduation "guide" This is just a guide. Policy is stated here. (where here is a link to the actual policy document) Anyway you can think to make it clearer? > > Thanks, > Roman. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
