Hi Justin: Again to further clarify the Docker image.
First of all, the PPMC is 100% with you that it is NOT fine to release docker images with the Apache brand, or not following the apache official release tag. The test cache binary used by TVM CI is a different thing. As the docker image itself is being used for test CI environment purposes. For example ci-cpu contains the gcc compiler and deps like python, tensorflow in order to run the tests. The docker image itself does not contain TVM in any form. In order to use the ci-cpu, a developer would need to download a source, enter the ci-cpu environment, and then type make to build tvm inside. Q0: Why tag mismatch from Apache release tag Whenever a ci dependency environment changes(e.g. we want to test against a new version of tensorflow) during development. We need to generate a new CI image for the test. To generate a binary cache for the particular purpose of testing, we use a new tag. That is why the tag does not follow the Apache release tag because they are different thing. Q1: Why use thirdparty docker The CI test environment can contain additional dependencies, e.g. tensorflow/pytorch that may or maynot be 100% Apache compatible. Because they are only used by the test cases and are not dependency of the tvm itself. We choose to use thirdparty binary caches, to simplify trademark concerns. As per previous comment, we believe this is allowed Q2: Branding As mentioned in the above post, we agree that the name tvmai as a thirdparty binary cache can be confusing, and will move it to a name that is clearly thirdparty. Q3: Pointing people to source releases The PPMC is very mindful to only refer to the official Apache release as official releases. The install from source page indeed points people to the official Apache release! Note that the mention of github source explicitly contains "Developers keyword". TQ --- - [1] https://tvm.apache.org/docs/install/from_source.html#install-from-source On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 5:14 PM Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Look like TQ has given you answer and proposed solution about the Docker > images. > > Hope that helps. > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 5:01 PM Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > I am sure there are many other binary packaging out there that use > Apache > > > project names, for example this one for Apache Spark: > > > https://hub.docker.com/r/bitnami/spark/ > > > > What other Apache projects do (Spark in particular for various reasons) > > are not always good examples to follow. But you'll note in this case it: > > a) Calls it Apache Spark > > b) Includes a link to space.apache.org > > b) In this case it seem clear it is a 3rd party, unlike TVM. > > > > IMO It should also have a trademark disclaimer and I’m not sure that the > > way they have set up latest would be compliant with ASF policy. Ignoring > > the latest tag you note that the tags also match Apache releases. > > > > > Are you concern about the name? The Docker image hub clearly stated > this > > is > > > not official Docker image from Apache TVM podling. I think that is > enough > > > to indicate this is not done by Apache TVM as community. > > > > The docker images, if you found them on their own, give no indication > that > > is an Apache project or that this are not official releases. If I search > > for “docker tvm” I get this link [1]. There is very little information on > > that page, no recognition of Apache trademarks and no disclaimers.There > are > > also versions tagged that are not Apache releases. > > > > Why didn’t the project use Infra’a docker offering? [3] > > > > > And I am kind of surprise about your comment and question about the > > number > > > of downloads. > > > > A large number of downloads may indicate that users are using the docker > > images rather than the offical sources. This may be fine if they are > > released versions, but is probably not be fine if they are not. Hence the > > latest tag being problematic. > > > > I find it odd in the TVM case there are more releases in Docker using the > > same numbering system as the Apache releases. Why this discrepancy? > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > 1. https://hub.docker.com/u/tvmai > > 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#products > > 3. https://hub.docker.com/u/apache > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
