On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 08:29, Shawn Yang <shawn.ck.y...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb,
>
> I highlight that the current release is not an asf release in the install
> page in PR https://github.com/apache/incubator-fury-site/pull/113.
>
> Could you take a look at it again?

I have just looked at the PR you just raised, and it looks OK.

Note that my comment was about the published install page, which is
still as I described.

> Thanks for taking time to review Fury's release.
>
> Best regards,
> Chaokun Yang
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 3:20 PM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There is now a link to a potential download page, which is great.
> >
> > However, the install page does not make it obvious that the 0.4.1
> > release is not an ASF release.
> > That information should be shown prominently at the start of the page,
> > not buried in a note near the end.
> >
> > On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 16:07, Shawn Yang <shawn.ck.y...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I updated it in the PR
> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-fury-site/pull/112. Sorry for my
> > last
> > > reply, I forgot to put the PR link.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 10:22 PM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 14:05, Shawn Yang <shawn.ck.y...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Sebb,
> > > > >
> > > > > I  updated the content in the install doc and added notes that this
> > is
> > > > not
> > > > > an ASF release.
> > > > >
> > > > > And added a download page for download and verify source release
> > only.
> > > > > Currently this page is basically empty, but will be updated once this
> > > > vote
> > > > > is done, and updated
> > > > > to closer.lua according to download-scripts[1].
> > > > >
> > > > > The cross-links to each other are also added.
> > > >
> > > > I don't see these changes on the fury.apache.org website.
> > > > Are they published anywhere?
> > > >
> > > > > 1.
> > https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html#download-scripts
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again for pointing those issues out.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Chaokun Yang
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:22 PM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 13:08, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They could fix the page now, while waiting for the release
> > vote to
> > > > > > > complete.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Make sense. At least remove the page/content now to indicate "no
> > > > Apache
> > > > > > > release" now. Then it won't be some "forth and back" updates.
> > It's a
> > > > > > timing
> > > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Note that the page needs more than just an update to version
> > > > numbers.
> > > > > > > > It needs closer.lua links to the source bundle, links to KEYS,
> > sigs
> > > > > > > > and hashes, and verification instructions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Such an install page can be a simplified quick start page. I
> > suppose
> > > > you
> > > > > > > refer to a download page like [1].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://hadoop.apache.org/releases.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, though ideally use closer.lua rather than closer.cgi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And yes, Fury doesn't have a download page yet, and they should
> > add
> > > > one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agreed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > But in my experience it's different from a quickstart install
> > page,
> > > > like
> > > > > > > [2] vs [3].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, but that should not be at the expense of a source download
> > page.
> > > > > > It must be easy to find the source download.
> > > > > > The website and the announcement email must link to the official
> > > > download
> > > > > > page.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The download and install pages could be cross-linked.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > [2] https://opendal.apache.org/docs/quickstart#java-binding
> > > > > > > [3] https://opendal.apache.org/download
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > tison.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > sebb <seb...@gmail.com> 于2024年4月23日周二 20:00写道:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 12:46, tison <wander4...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would be very disappointed if the podling published the
> > code
> > > > > > > > > > *knowing* that the download page is missing or incorrect.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > IIUC Fury will update the content and delete all the
> > references
> > > > to
> > > > > > prior
> > > > > > > > > releases.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Note that the page needs more than just an update to version
> > > > numbers.
> > > > > > > > It needs closer.lua links to the source bundle, links to KEYS,
> > sigs
> > > > > > > > and hashes, and verification instrructions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Or instead, Fury can keep these references and state clearly
> > it's
> > > > > > prior
> > > > > > > > > releases.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My comment above is with an assumption that prior releases
> > ref
> > > > will
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > removed. But if the PPMC wants to keep it, they should
> > update the
> > > > > > > > > description.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They could fix the page now, while waiting for the release
> > vote to
> > > > > > > > complete.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > tison.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > sebb <seb...@gmail.com> 于2024年4月23日周二 19:35写道:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 09:42, tison <wander4...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no indication that 0.4.1 is not an ASF
> > release.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You may found that the group id is not org.apache.fury
> > also.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Whilst this is true, it is still not obvious that this is
> > not
> > > > an
> > > > > > ASF
> > > > > > > > > > release; it is easy to overlook this minor detail.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Indeed, there is no such indication for the GoLang,
> > Javascript
> > > > or
> > > > > > Rust
> > > > > > > > > > binaries.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This is an intermediate state that we would update the
> > > > content
> > > > > > as:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > <dependency>
> > > > > > > > > > >   <groupId>org.apache.fury</groupId>
> > > > > > > > > > >   <artifactId>fury-core</artifactId>
> > > > > > > > > > >   <version>0.5.0</version>
> > > > > > > > > > > </dependency>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And then the content is correct.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Strictly speaking the content of the Maven reference to
> > 0.4.1
> > > > is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > 'incorrect'.
> > > > > > > > > > The problem is that the page does not make it clear that
> > the
> > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > is not an ASF release.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It's OK to refer to prior releases, but the reader must be
> > > > clearly
> > > > > > > > > > informed of their provenance.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If we make any workaround or patch to make
> > > > > > > > > > > it "look good", it would be updated as soon as 0.5.0 is
> > > > > > released. So
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > won't treat that as a release blocker.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would be very disappointed if the podling published the
> > code
> > > > > > > > > > *knowing* that the download page is missing or incorrect.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > tison.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > sebb <seb...@gmail.com> 于2024年4月23日周二 15:59写道:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 10:11, PJ Fanning <
> > > > fannin...@apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sebb,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This email thread is a vote for an RC. If this vote
> > > > passes,
> > > > > > > > v0.5.0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > will be the first release of Fury since it became a
> > > > podling.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > We will add a download page but at the moment, there
> > is
> > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > link to there (except perhaps a KEYS file).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Install page does need to be updated to not
> > mention
> > > > > > > > snapshots.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If 0.5.0 is to be the first ASF release, then the
> > Install
> > > > page
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > misleading.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no indication that 0.4.1 is not an ASF
> > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 10:35, sebb <seb...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 at 16:26, Shawn Yang <
> > > > > > > > shawn.ck.y...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a call for the vote to release Apache
> > > > > > > > Fury(Incubating)
> > > > > > > > > > > > v0.5.0-rc3.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Apache Fury community has voted and approved
> > the
> > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fury(incubating) v0.5.0-rc3. We now kindly
> > request
> > > > the
> > > > > > IPMC
> > > > > > > > > > members
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review and vote for this release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache Fury(incubating) - A blazingly fast
> > > > multi-language
> > > > > > > > > > > > serialization
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > framework powered by JIT and zero-copy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fury community vote thread:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/g49qt1v99d0ncfvonng39lcs1s56m7v5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vote result thread:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/9rtl03g650pojyfb5d67785tffyo4hbs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The release candidate:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/fury/0.5.0-rc3/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This release has been signed with a PGP available
> > > > here:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://downloads.apache.org/incubator/fury/KEYS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not find a proper download page for the
> > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This must have links to the source bundle which
> > must
> > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > closer.lua,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as links to KEYS, sigs and hashes, with
> > > > > > instructions on
> > > > > > > > > > how to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > validate downloads.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an install page on the website at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://fury.apache.org/docs/start/install, but
> > that
> > > > does
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > link to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any source bundle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, the install page links to nightly
> > > > snapshots;
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed except on a page intended for Fury
> > developers,
> > > > who
> > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > made aware that nightly code has not been vetted.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git tag for the release:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-fury/releases/tag/v0.5.0-rc3
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git commit for the release:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-fury/commit/fae06330edd049bb960536e978a45b97bca66faf
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maven staging repo:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachefury-1003
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to Build and Test, please refer to:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-fury/blob/main/docs/guide/DEVELOPMENT.md
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vote will be open for at least 72 hours or
> > until
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > necessary
> > > > > > > > > > > > number
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of votes is reached.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please vote accordingly:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] +1 approve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] +0 no opinion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] -1 disapprove with the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about apache fury, please see
> > > > > > > > > > https://fury.apache.org/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checklist for reference:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] Download links are valid.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] Checksums and signatures.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] LICENSE/NOTICE files exist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] No unexpected binary files
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] All source files have ASF headers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] Can compile from source
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chaokun Yang
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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