Morgan Delagrange wrote: >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAIN >TING > >The language you use for transformation is, in the case of a >Maven/Centipete-type tool, largely internal to the project. Gather some >developers, call a vote, and use what the majority decides. Later on, if >you have an itch to switch, convert the files, put them in a staging area, >and call another vote. Both will do the job. > Right, I'm just stating that I dislike the goal of this (avoid collaboration, and enforce pet project use) so much that I'll -1 on any project I'm on that switching is brought up. So build your bike shed. But if I have a say it will go unused because it doesn't suit my needs. (unlike a combined collaborative effort that supports standards)
> >Actually it may not even be necessary to pick one or the other exclusively. >For example Latka maintains its documentation in docbook, but Dion added a >transform to Anakia so it works with the site build. Similarly you may be >able to provide DVSL and XSL alternatives. > >This is not a slam on Oliver or anybody else. This just happened to be the >most recent post on this topic. > None taken. But I prefer to go by my first name. -Andy > >- Morgan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:51 AM >Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make the decision >(was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!)) > > >>Guys, >> >>Bottom line (you could probably guess these but it needs to be said): >> >>1. I'll -1 the attempt to switch any project to maven that I have a vote >>on unless there is a concerted effort to collaborate on a combined >>effort with centipede. >> >>2. I'll -1 anything that REQUIRES me to use DVSL if I don't want to. >> >>So what decides (in the minds of the maven community) whether it is >>successful... If its that a large set or all of the projects on >>jakarta/xml/etc use it well then collaboration is the easiest way (it >>removes my and several others objections). If its to force us all to >>use your pet projects, well good luck. Its certainly not turning out to >>be a springboard for collaboration. >> >>You want the hearts and minds, then we've outlined it. Work towards >>collaboration. Work towards standards support. Then you'll reach a >>consensus. If not, *shrug* then I'm sure some projects will use it, but >>it will imo kind of be a flop of the goals I assume it wants to achieve. >> >>-Andy >> >> >> >>Berin Loritsch wrote: >> >>>Jon Scott Stevens wrote: >>> >>>>on 5/2/02 2:54 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Centaven Reasoning: I don't see how we can easily do this. The >>>>>approaches >>>>>are wildly different at basic levels, e.g. dvsl vs xsl, entities vs >>>>>external build files for ant, extending GUMPs descriptor vs >>>>>generating one >>>>>etc. Any 'coming together' is going to be a very difficult decision >>>>>to get >>>>>past the maven developer community, because they have a tool that >>>>>works and >>>>>is going in a consistent direction from a design perspective, and that >>>>>coming together will result in much slowing of progress. I don't >>>>> >think, > >>>>>IMHO, either tool is mature enough at this point to merge. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I can agree with that. Hell, the dvsl vs. xsl is a showstopper for me. >>>> >>>>I can't stand XSL... >>>> >>> >>> >>>And I can't be bothered with non-standard transformation languages... >>> >>>Centipede uses Cocoon, which allows you to use Velocity, or whatever you >>>want to transform your documents. You aren't locked into XSL if you >>>don't want. THat's the beauty of it. WIth Maven, you are locked into >>>DVSL, and there is no other way of doing things. :/ >>> >>>But again, Reality Check: how often do you mess with the look and feel >>>of a site? If the theme exists--use it. It's that simple. >>> >>> >> >> >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
