on 5/2/02 8:44 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Same here, I'll -1 a switch to either maven or centipede on the projects I
> have a vote on until they find a way to work togheter.
> 
> DVSL may be a nice language, but XSLT is the standard - regardless of how
> you play with the word. I'm fine with a tool that supports both.
> 
> Costin

You guys are so funny.

Bike Sheds
----------

At first, people -1'd the use of Anakia to generate the Jakarta website. But
then when I took the effort to make it simple and easy to use and took away
the bike shed argument, people adopted it and used it all over the world.

On top of it, in *years*, no one has gone and replaced Jakarta-site2 with
anything better. Sure, Craig did a XSLT stylesheet, but no one changed the
main Jakarta site to use it and I still see new Anakia sites on
Sourceforget.net all the time.

The next thing to replace jakarta-site2 will be Maven. Just like with
Anakia, I honestly don't care if you -1 it. You aren't doing the work and
therefore your argument against it is simply a bike shed and is thus not
valid in my opinion.

Costin, just like with Tomcat 3 vs. Tomcat 4. We all learned that you can't
force projects to work together. Nor can you vote -1 on it. Given our
history, I'm really surprised to hear you trying to argue for something like
that. You hypocrite.

Learning Technology
-------------------

The argument about learning minor technologies to make money is so silly it
is funny. I have owned/started several companies now and have been
responsible for hiring or directly approving the hiring of about 50-60
people over the last 10 years. Not a huge amount, but not small either.

Never once did I think to myself, hmmm...that person knows minor technology
X better than minor technology Y. What I cared the most about was that the
person had a general good skill set and the aptitude to learn something new.
So, if learning DVSL vs. XSLT is beyond your aptitude, I probably would not
have hired you anyway.

On top of it, the mentality of having to fit into the box because everyone
else is doing it would make me instantly not like your personality. I like
people who are free thinkers and who can think outside of the box. Software
is an art form, not something that you can just cookie cutter produce (and
have it come out being any good). IMHO, it is the free thinkers that have
the most creative and bug free code. Thinking outside of the box shows that
you care about the code and systems you are creating.

People
------

Needless to say, the attitudes here are becoming more and more familiar.
Andrew reminds me of the early days of dealing with Peter Donald (credit to
Peter for eventually coming to his senses...I think joining the PMC helped).
Steven reminds me of Paulo. Deja vu!

:-)

-jon


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