On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 06:53:51PM +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > | However, as has been pointed out several times in this thread already, > | back when the devloper community agreed to the overlays project it was > | also agreed that projects similar to what is now known as Project > | Sunrise was not be present on overlays.gentoo.org. > > Can you provide a reference to this, please? I've been through my -dev M/L > archive several times, and cannot find an email where I agreed to this.
Perhaps not in those exact words, I admit. But the general consensus in my eyes, and I'm not alone with this view according to other replies to this thread, was that the purpose of overlays.gentoo.org would be to provide a common place to host project and developer overlays - not a place to host Joe User's ebuild contributions (except for users regularly contributing to specific teams/herds and devs-in-spee). [1] [2] [3] You could argue that Project Sunrise *is* a specific project. Fact is that nobody at that time could predict that a small group of developers would go ahead and create a project with the single goal of providing Joe User's bugzilla-contributed ebuilds to end-users through overlays.gentoo.org. In my opinion, creating a new project with this purpose should not have been allowed. I fear that perhaps creating the project was just an attempt to circumvent the policy of overlays.gentoo.org, which states that only project teams and individual Gentoo developers can have an overlay on overlays.gentoo.org. It seems that the developers who started Project Sunrise already planed to use overlays.gentoo.org as a "free-for-all" overlay with no QA and policy checks back when the idea of an official overlays project was discussed. [4] [5] The security issues of having an official overlay of unsupported ebuilds was also raised back then. [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] As was the concerns about potential damage to the reputation of Gentoo as a whole. [11] [12] On the other hand, having team/herd specific overlays with commit access from a select few end-users (as was written in the original proposal) was seen as a good idea. [13] [14] I've spent tonight reading through the entire thread that let to the creation of the overlays project, and I still come out in the end with the feeling that a consensus of having overlays.gentoo.org for hosting the already existing developer and herd/team overlays in a central place was reached. It also looks to me like the idea of having a "free-for-all" or a user-contrib overlay hosted there would not be acceptable due to security issues and risk of damaging the reputation of Gentoo as a whole. I know this doesn't provide solid evidence that this is how it was, but truth is - we hardly ever see an email on the developers list stating "This is what we agreed on". Due to the nature of the media we tend to have a lot of input and discussion back and forth after which a general consensus is found. This consensus, as I see it, is reflected in the policy for overlays.gentoo.org. [15] I urge people to read through the initial thread that fostered overlays.gentoo.org as well - if only to refresh peoples memory on the stuff that was discussed back then. You can start at http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09877.html Sincerely, Brix [1]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09913.html [2]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09921.html [3]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09983.html [4]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09962.html [5]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09966.html [6]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09918.html [7]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09959.html [8]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09884.html [9]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09964.html [10]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09963.html [11]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09910.html [12]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09946.html [13]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09948.html [14]: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg09972.html [15]: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/overlays/policy.xml -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd
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