On 21 December 2012 22:50, Peter Stuge <pe...@stuge.se> wrote: > Markos, > >[...] > Maybe you can understand that there is a disconnect between what > people who have no experience from what you do and what you actually > do? That was certainly the case for me, and maybe also for Doug. The > documentation that I once read was certainly much more aggressive > than what you and others describe, and it's easy to assume that > documentation is correct. :) > Ok let me clarify something since it appears there is a confusion.
The Undertakers project is in no way special compared to other Gentoo projects. What this means is that this project is a separate entity (like *all* Gentoo projects) and free to shape and form whatever policy it see fit for inactive developers. *All* Gentoo projects operate in the same manner, meaning nobody outside of the project controls what decisions are made and why. If you want to be part of the decision making process, join the project. If you have problems with what this project is doing, *please* come a talk to us. Having said that, and I already said that previously, I agree that the policy is not ideal and we need to change it. *However* nobody *ever* talked to us and raised his concerns in a civil matter. Nobody *ever* complained with the "status updates" emails we send to them. Like I said before, the emails we send are far from insulting, you can see the templates here[1] and here[2]. I can see why these templates may look a bit "distant", but Pacho and I always add extra bits to them, especially asking them to consider dropping themselves from metadata.xml until they come back. *Every single one of the devs we asked so far* was more than willing to cooperate with us, drop himself from metadata.xml, allow us to reassign his bugs and seek new maintainers. Those who didn't, agreed to retire because they realized they didn't contribute anymore so having the Gentoo badge made no sense. Again, the fact that we ask inactive developers about their status, it does *not* mean that we will retire them if they don't make X commits/ week. We just need to make sure that packages are maintained properly and avoid having unattended bugs for years because a maintainer got MIA. Finally, I am very proud with the work we are doing, especially Pacho who has been doing most of the work lately. We have managed to "free" many many packages and this was one of the reasons I formed the proxy-maintainers project, so that non-dev contributors could step up and take care of all these packages that inactive devs left unattended. [1]http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/undertakers/retirement-first.txt [2]http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/undertakers/retirement-second.txt -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
