On Sunday 13 July 2003 13:23, Spider wrote this in an attempt to be 
witty and informative:
> begin  quote
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:07:51 +0200
>
> "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have installed grip.. that is the culprit in my case because the
> > latest -up world wants to upgrade grip and to install all the
> > gnome-stuff I do NOT want, but without grip.. no gnome.
>
> from the grip homepage:
>   "Grip is a cd-player and cd-ripper for the Gnome desktop."

To be honest, it'd be nice if programs were DE independent and could use 
features from both.
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