On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> >> I htink almost everyone understand this. Regards. > > I think you are one of *very* few that understands this. > > This reminds me of a old joke. One in four people have a mental issue. > Check three friends and if they are OK, you are it. Again, it is a joke > but my point is, very few people are liking this. That alone should say a > lot.
I know, but Open Source has never been a democracy. It is a meritocracy. No matter how many get upset by a change, the opinions that matter are from those writing the code. > This is a very few people forcing a change that no one wants. That's a contradiction, isn't it? The "few people" forcing the change want it, I hope. > You seem to fail to understand that. I don't agree with the "few people" and the "no one wants" parts. I understand that this change is upseting some people, but I don't think you (nor I) can say for sure if it's even a majority of Gentoo users, and even if it were, again, Open Source is not a democracy. > If this "new way" of doing things causes > someones server to be hacked, I would be looking for that dev that started > this mess. I don't run some large server but some on here do and this is > important as it gets. If you don't trust this change, you can always change distro/OS (Alan even recommended it). > Personally, if I'm going to have to start running my Gentoo box like a > binary based distro, I may as well use a binary based distro. If others > feel like I do, then Gentoo may start losing users. I got away from > Mandrake for reasons such as this. That's your prerrogative. And that's why I'm saying my word in the list: I'm pretty sure many users in the list (which are not all the Gentoo users) are not really upset with this change. The other POV has to be heard. > A init* is just one more thing to break. > If you been on this list long enough, you know my record for finding things > that are really crappy. One that comes to mind is hal. I can assure you I > can find other examples. People complained about hal and the dev didn't > seem to listen until it really hit the fan. I think the replacement was > made by the same dev but maybe after listening a bit he found where he could > improve things. I wish the person behind this could do the same before he > breaks a lot of stuff. By the way, as Alan and others can point out, I > never got hal to work on my system. It was nothing fancy either. At the > time it was a Abit NF7 mobo with IDE drives and a PS/2 mouse and keyboard. > If a package can't work right on something as basic as that, it has little > hope of anything fancy for sure. I agree with HAL being a failed experiment: but I think we had to try it before discarding the idea. Maybe the crap will also hit the fan with this: I don't know (lost my crystal ball, sorry). But I really don't believe it, and I have some experience with Linux and Unix and this kind of stuff. Maybe I'm wrong of course. > I'm going back to my garden. You have fun promoting this mess that is being > created. You seem to enjoy it a lot. I'm not promoting anything. Just want to get into the record that some users don't mind this change, and some of us even welcome it. The discussion I think has been interesting and civil. I do enjoy it. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
