On 29/09/2013 17:41, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Sep 29, 2013 3:33 AM, "Alan McKinnon" <alan.mckin...@gmail.com > <mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com>> wrote: [snip]
>> Exherbo might be worth a look too[1]. >> >> It's a sort-of Gentoo fork using the portage tree and PMS; plus Ciaran >> strikes me as the kind of guy who *would* expend massive effort to find >> a way round current udev and systemd. >> >> >> [1] I didn't look myself. I have no idea what Exherbo's stance is on >> this matter. > > Exherbo recommends installing systemd [1]. Sabayon installs systemd by > default [2]. Funtoo is considering running GNOME >=3.8 in a container so > systemd doesn't "impact" the rest of the system [3] (which by the way > looks like an interesting idea). However, in the same link Daniel > Robbins says: > > "[...] from my perspective, I think it is simply so people can run > GNOME. I do like GNOME 3.6. I like their new UI. It would be nice to run > 3.8. I don't care about systemd. It is simply a dep of GNOME. That is all." > > I see that as being open to the idea of using systemd in the future. It > doesn't say that they'll never support systemd, as others would. Well, > users; for the people that actually write the code, the majority seems > to like systemd, or at least don't have a problem with it. > > Anyhow, many in this thread forget that it was the OpenRC maintainer the > one that proposed the change to stop supporting a separate /usr without > an initramfs. If you use OpenRC, and have a separate /usr without an > initramfs, and *anything * breaks in your machine, you get to keep the > pieces. No (official) support for you. > > It doesn't matter if you use udev, eudev (which is the same, just > emasculated), nor mdev. OpenRC will start assuming an early available > /usr; that's why its maintainer championed the change. It needs it to > actually compete with systemd. So even Funtoo will need the same > requirement, unless they switch to runit. > > As others have said, this is not really related to systemd/udev. It's > OpenRC, the "official" and (still) recommended init system for Gentoo, > the one that is making the change. Thanks for that info. I don't keep current with the Gentoo-derived distros as gentoo itself works great for me. > And about time, if you ask me. Agreed. I myself fought this change in my head for ages. And changed my mind for the same reasons so many other people have done so too. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
