Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-09-29 5:35 PM, Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Tanstaafl wrote: >>> Ok, but... everything I've read and personal experience over the years >>> shows that space required for /usr should not change much, especially >>> constantly grow over time (like requirements for /home can and will)- >>> it may fluctuate (increase, decrease) *a little* over time, but it >>> definitely should not grow substantially, so, if you had to resize it, >>> most likely it is because you simply didn't allocate enough room to >>> start with. > >> So my experience doesn't matter any then? > > Dale, that is NOT what I said, and nothing I am saying is intended to > be offensive. > >> My /usr does vary and sometimes varies quite a bit. > > The question you should be asking yourself then, is WHY?
To me, it doesn't matter why it varies, it just does. After each update, I check to see what the partitions look like. The biggest change was going from KDE3 to KDE4. That seemed to make things grow a good bit. Other things I install/uninstall seem to change things too. > >> That is why I had to resize the thing. Saying that I didn't make it >> large enough to begin with isn't the point. > > It is precisely the point... > > The fact is, there is nothing in there that *should* vary much (once > your system is fully installed) - unless you are using it in some > non-standard way, and/or not occasionally cleaning out /usr/src (as > Alan pointed out)... and if either of those is the case, then as I > said, it is your own fault that you needed to resize it. > > Don't you see how contradictory it is to say that you will change from > gentoo to distro-x because gentoo has made a change that requires you > to either merge /usr into / or use an 'init thingy', when distro-x, > that you say you will change to, USES AN INIT THINGY? Doesn't that > sound irrational to you? No, it doesn't. On Gentoo, I HAVE to make the thing but don't know how to fix it if it breaks. On other distros, I don't have to make the thing. If it fails, at worst, I can reinstall in much less time than I would spend trying to fix the silly thing. Since I don't know how to fix one and can't boot to get help, then the computer may as well be a screen door on a submarine. As I posted before, if something breaks and I can't fix it, I replace it with something else that works. That could be why /usr varies so much too. > > What would be logical and rational would be to either: > > a) learn how to use an init thingy (which from some more reading I've > been doing, doesn't look quite as bad as it seemed initially), or > > b) determine what is a sane size for /usr, make / an appropriate size > to subsume it, and merge it into /. > > Now, if you don't have enough room in / to merge it, then obviously it > will be more painful, but once it is done, you never have to worry > about it again - and no init thingy. Actually, history proves that wrong too. I started using LVM because I got tired of having to rearrange my partitions and resize things. That was the whole reason I switched to LVM when I did. Ask anyone on this list that has been here long ehough. I have had to move things around LOTS of times because things grow including /usr and /var. /home is a different and unrelated thing. Funny thing is, I did it several times and never even posted about it. > >> When people use LVM, the reason they use it is so that we can resize >> things when needed. > > Yes, and I use LVM - but again, this is only important for dirs/mnt > points that have the potential to consume more and more disk space... > that potential is simply not there for (a properly configured and > maintained) /usr... See above. > >> And what is rational for you, is not rational to me. Since you can >> dismiss mine, I can dismiss yours too. Funny how that works huh? > > Yep... and you can also dismiss my claim that jumping off that 1,000' > cliff won't result in you going splat, but it doesn't change the fact > that if you jump off of it, you WILL go splat. I just wouldn't get the > chance to say I told you so. > > And what you are saying is not changing anything either. I don't want to mess with the init thingy. If I do, first time it fails and a solution isn't obvious, time to move on to something else. I like my 16 year old washing machine and I have repaired things on it a few times. If it breaks and I can't fix it, time for a new washing machine. Most likely, a different brand and model too. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
