On Tuesday, 6 August 2024 09:29:15 BST byte.size...@simplelogin.com wrote: > On 05/08/2024 23:56, Daniel Frey wrote: > > I'm glad I'm not the only one having problems. It does make me wonder > > though if the discrete video card (nvidia) is the cause of some/most of > > these problems. > > If I were to 'guess', I think it's the Nvidia drivers and less to do > with Wayland implementation. > > I have an Nvidia RTX 20-series and Wayland sessions generally exhibit > mostly the same issues as yours - flickering and/or > freezing/unresponsive panels, random KDE crashes, and general > instability. Sleep simply doesn't work at all properly with a wayland > session and my PC freezes, requiring a reboot. Mind you, this is a > modern system with an X670E chipset, but certainly not modern enough to > still have launch issues. > > It's the same with both the proprietary Nvidia driver and the new 1st > party open-source driver that comes with the 555-series drivers. I've > not tried nouveau - it's on my list, but I sometimes need CUDA so not > yet sure how this is going to wor > k out without a driver swap. > > > They don't happen in X11 though. > > Same here. X11 is mostly stable for nvidia except for suspend/resume > which can often not suspend at all, requiring multiple attempts, or > borking up the screen resolution. > > I say 'guess' above in quotes because Nvidia have notoriously bad > drivers for Linux and Wayland support has been pretty non-existent _and_ > I've been using Wayland as a daily driver with AMD (current laptop) and > Intel GPUs (previous laptop) for about 2 years without any major issues > outside of minor known KDE bugs which have got hoovered over time with > updates.
On various laptops and desktops of up to 15+ years old Wayland works here for some years now. They all have integrated and/or discrete radeon/AMD graphics. All PCs boot/suspend/wake up reliably. Bar the quite rare crash of kwin, which takes down Plasma but not any of the open application windows on it, I have not experienced any problems for quite a few years now. From what I recall X11 used to have more crashes, than what I am experiencing on Wayland. Besides Plasma I've also tried Enlightenment DE and it also mostly worked with Wayland. There is also an old 2008 laptop with Intel CPU and intel graphics which will not work fully with Wayland. It launches a desktop session fine, but some application windows (e.g. Firefox) will not respond to mouse clicks. It may be a matter of missing gtk packages/configuration, but I have not looked into it further. > Furthermore, on my workstation (with the Nvidia GPU) all > problems, Wayland and the X11 sleep issue , essentially disappear as > soon as I wire things up to the onboard built-in Ryzen GPU and switch to > the "amdgpu" driver and Wayland is rock solid - no sleep/resume issues > either. > > So... yes, in my experience Nvidia is just crap on Linux and, frankly, > given where they > seem to be headed wrt their business priorities, I > don't see this getting any better any time soon. I think my next GPU > upgrade, whenever that may be, will be an AMD. > > I'm curious to see how KDE 6 will behave once stabilised. It's supposed > to have further Wayland improvements, but I'm not holding my breath as I > don't think it's necessarily KDE's problem. > > - Victor
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