"It would make a nice Wired article to put four people, one from each generation, side by side, and have them tell their stories."
Yes, and I would make the recommendation that rather than just interview generations, interview different geowanking cliques. You have your PHP & Ruby developers, your spatial database guys, your Google Earth people, your open source software guys, your "traditional GIS crowd" (mostly ESRI users), your location-based services guys, and your data collectors/archivists. (I just happen to work in a large map library.) If you asked what geography, geowanking, or location means to these groups of people, you're going to have VERY different answers. I could see at Where this year that the ships were passing in the night. Traditional GIS'ers commenting on their blogs and discussing their frustration with "pushpin maps." The slippy map/collaborative atlas guys ignorant of the GIS'ers concerns for precision. The spatial database guys asking how they're going to have to connect to different apps and where data is going to come from. In essence, from what I saw at Where was that bridges needed to be built, conversations needed to be had, an collaboration to an extent had to happen. I'm assuming that it did and within the next year I'm also hoping that we see something with a big impact on our multifaceted community. Anyway, I'm big fan of the collaborative atlas stuff and map libraries. . . (Wherever they are?) GeoMullah http://fantom-planet.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lars Aronsson Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Geowanking] mapping philosophies? Annalee Newitz wrote: > I'm in the early stages of researching an article about map hackers > for Wired magazine -- I know the term "map hackers" is vague, but that > will change. What I'm wondering is whether folks here have been > inspired by any particular philosophies or theories of geography in > their work? Is there a Norbert Wiener or Lawrence Lessig of the > geowank world? Somebody who is geeky but also policy-minded or > philosophical, whose ideas have inspired you to make map tools or > build geolocation tech? In the micro/home/personal computer revolution of the late 1970s, it was a whole new bunch of people that entered the field of computing. Some knew about computers already, but many did not. And those who knew the old mainframes best stayed with the mainframes and didn't join the revolution. The new micros were so small, that they seemed to be nothing but toys to the old pros. This is what Clayton Christensen called "The Innovator's Dilemma". His book takes the view of the producer/seller and not the sociologist, but it's the same phenomenon. This is what we're seeing with these new "mapping hacks" too. The map hackers are PHP and Ruby programmers, not cartographers. In fact, there must be at least two generations of revolutionaries between the old cartographers (who graduated in the 1960s without having touched a computer) and today's map hackers: First the traditional GIS people (who graduated in the 1980s), then the free software GIS people (who bring Linux and GRASS, but work with cartography on a professional scale). It would make a nice Wired article to put four people, one from each generation, side by side, and have them tell their stories. How did "line printer maps" change mapping in the late 1960s? What did the skeptics say? Who were enthusiastic about it? What drove the University of Minnesota to develop MapServer, and was it related to the Gopher menu system? There are free software GIS people clashing into openstreetmap.org all the time, like birds that fly into a window pane. They know the Minnesota MapServer, GRASS, gdal, and map projections (like a bird, that knows how to fly). The original OSM crowd doesn't really have a clue about those things, but they (or should I say we) are building free map data (like, this is a window pane, you cannot fly here). Dig through the svn.openstreetmap.org source code and tell me when you find anything that resembles GIS software, data structures and algorithms. Timesharing operating systems and e-mail were developed in 1965. The Apple II was introduced in 1977, twelve years later. What theory of timesharing or e-mail did the Apple II users have? Is it even possible to love the Apple II if you know what timesharing and e-mail are? It took about twelve more years before Mac and PC users got e-mail. -- Lars Aronsson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se _______________________________________________ Geowanking mailing list [email protected] http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking _______________________________________________ Geowanking mailing list [email protected] http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking
