Hello GlassyEyes,
I did not mean that "progressive" lenses are a scam but that the
refund policies and what appears to be standard refund practice is a
scam, as is defining progressives as bifocals..I understand that there
are a large number of different quality types and manufacturers of
progressive lenses but ..a reputable US based company, regardless if
the Essilor lenses are made in France or Singapore, will issue a 100%
refund, and will respect the standard definition of progressive as
multifocal (at least far-distance/ intermediate-computer/near distance-
reading). I have been burned by ZENNI with frames which fell apart out
of the box and defective lenses. I have come into a stonewall with
their illiterate "customer service".  Glad to have an excellent bank
working with me. Shall keep you apprised

If you look carefully at the websites and hidden small print, you will
see that many define progressives as noline bifocals.....perhaps some
people, who do not use intermediate distance for 10 hours/day and read
without glasses, are satisfied with bifocals, I am not. Further, once
the online company has your returned glasses, they argue that the
customer returned them and that there was nothing wrong with the
glasses.  The customer must have a written analysis of the glasses
from another  optician  to continue making their argument
online......I stands to good business practices that there is 100%
refund with any defective product....not 50%.....that is the
scam.....try and get your money back from China.....I cannot believe
that some people on this blog accept such a 50% refund policy as
ok.....at which online company did your church colleagues buy their
progressives?

I would really appreciate hearing from which online company people
filled progressive scripts which were filled correctly with 3
distnaces. Thanks a lot for your help. I am hesitating getting a pair
of progressives for my husband after my experience, although I bragged
that I could get a pair of progressives for $60 instead of his
$350....


On Feb 19, 10:22 am, "Ira (GlassyEyes)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> ivm.camp,
>
> Good luck finding lenses manufactured in the United States -- at any price.
> Essilor has 15 plants worldwide and only 2 of those facilities are in the
> United States. It's unclear whether they manufacture lenses in either of
> those US facilities.
>
> The fact is, the vast majority of lenses are made in Asia -- along with
> televisions, furniture, clothing, cell phones, coffee makers, luggage, you
> name it... and lenses have been made in Asia and Europe longer than the
> ever-lengthening list of other products.
>
> The lenses in this case were definitely made incorrectly. Progressives
> online are by no means a scam, but you may have better luck with the more
> reputable stores and I'm not sure I'd do a first pair of progressives
> online.
>
> - Ira
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Chuck Knight <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > Several people at my church are wearing progressives that were purchased
> > online, and have no trouble with them whatsoever.  And, they were the
> > standard lenses..not the upgraded Essilors.
>
> > The optics, the placement of the corridor, etc...it's all perfect.  Or,
> > sufficiently close to perfect that the nosepads can adjust the rest of the
> > way.
>
> > Progressives, while a bit trickier to fit, are *definitely* NOT a scam,
> > when purchased online.
>
> > I agree with ivm.camp -- you should contact the company and tell them that
> > the corridor is in the wrong place, by a full 5mm.  That's not attributable
> > to "tolerances," that's a defect.
>
> > Many of the online retailers monitor this group.  Your dissatisfaction may
> > already be known to them.
>
> >      -- Chuck Knight
>
> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM, ivm.camp <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I do not think that any of these online lenses are made in the US and
> >> most of the online companies have either no definition for
> >> progressives as multifocal, or define progressives to be
> >> bifocals....ZENNI for one, Glasses4U another, etc..
>
> >> You should get a full refund because the lenses are defective and not
> >> because you wnat to return them. The scam appears to be to state that
> >> 50% is max refund and then produce poor lenses which will be returned
> >> so the company makes 50% on bad lenses and gets the frame/lenses back
> >> to reuse (at least the frame).
>
> >> Progressive online SCAM!

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