Just got my new pair from Zenni. 16 days for progessives from China?
Not to shabby.
Actually, the frames (3187 Bendable (Memory) Titanium Half-Rim in
black) are very nice, and the lenses are easier to see through than
the $185 pair I'm sending back to Global Eyeglasses. And for $58 to
boot :)

Couldn't be happier and for the record, they *are* true multi-focal
progressives, not no-line bifocals.
They definately have all 3 fields of vision, and progress smoothly
from distance to intermediate to reading.

 -Firewalker

On Feb 20, 11:18 pm, Chuck Knight <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not defending Zenni, at all...only stating that I have had good
> experiences with their merchandise, as have many people whom I know.
>
> It sounds like your experience is wildly different than mine.
>
> 1)  I'm guessing that a screw had fallen out...nevertheless, they were
> defective, and should have been addressed, either by replacement or repair.
>
> 2)  This is the part I asked about.  Any blended lens is going to have many
> strengths, because of the blending...it is likely that there is some
> misunderstanding as to the precise definition of progressive and no-line
> bifocals.  I wasn't kidding when I asked to be enlightened...what is the
> definition of each?
>
> 5)  Try their phone line...call them at 9am Pacific time.  That's when most
> of us get through.
>
> 6)  That's why I'm asking these questions...I'm a Zenni fan, so I'm trying
> to figure out why our experiences vary so wildly.  I'm not defending them,
> but am surprised, because the "happy" Zenni customers are exceedingly
> happy.  Something went wrong with your order...and I'm curious what it was.
>
> I'm not saying that Zenni should be considered perfect by any stretch of the
> imagination...but there are enough satisfied customers that I am curious
> what happened.  You seem to be WAY beyond dissatisfied.
>
>      -- Chuck Knight
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, ivm.camp <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 1.) My rimless ZENNI frame fell apart out of the box.
> > 2.) ZENNI lenses are noline bifocals not progressive
> > 3.) I ordered progressives
> > 4.) I returned as requested with statement
> > 5.) ZENNI is not answering my emails re: broken frames, and insists
> > that lenses are true progressives
> > 6.) if any customer, and a number of them on this blog, have had
> > problems with this company, ZENNI, then that
> > should be considered as valid and the company should not be defended
> > just because they did something that you paid them to do and that they
> > are supposed to do
>
> > On Feb 19, 9:36 pm, Chuck Knight <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > My "church colleagues" bought theirs at Zenni, after my own positive
> > > experiences...all are completely satisfied, and report (I wear single
> > vision
> > > lenses) that the lenses are shockingly good, with distinct zones for
> > > distance, reading, AND intermediate.
>
> > > One commented that the corridor was narrow.  Another said that they
> > appeared
> > > to use the same lenses as her pair from Sears Optical.
>
> > > A nurse at my ophthalmologist's office also wears Zenni progressives.  I
> > > checked in with her...knowing that she would run them through their
> > paces.
> > > I wanted to know if they were as good as my single vision glasses.  In
> > fact,
> > > they tested out as (literally) perfect, and her testing indicates that
> > the
> > > lens design provides a narrow corridor.  It wasn't a complaint...only an
> > > analysis.
>
> > > With several successful pairs owned by friends and colleagues, and even a
> > > nurse at the ophthalmologist's office, I find it very interesting that
> > you
> > > are so adamant that your glasses are not progressives.  So, let me ask
> > you a
> > > question, if I may.
>
> > > You mentioned adhering to the "standard definition" of a progressive.
> >  What
> > > does that mean...could you enlighten me?  What constitutes a progressive,
> > > and how did your glasses let you down?
>
> > > As for the warranty...the warranty terms are clearly stated on the sites,
> > > and you agreed to them when ordering from the site.  In the US,
> > warranties
> > > have 2 components...express and implied.
>
> > > The implied part is that the glasses will be the ones you ordered, and
> > that
> > > the lenses will be as-ordered...
>
> > > The express part of the warranty can be anything that a company states,
> > > expressly.
>
> > > Many of the online retailers operate from a relatively small profit
> > margin
> > > -- if they charged $300 for a pair of glasses, they could "eat" a
> > relatively
> > > small loss and provide a new pair for a customer.  With the smaller
> > profit
> > > margin, the online companies decided to do a 50% refund for unhappy
> > > customers -- I've not heard of any of the "big 5" refusing to remake
> > > defective glasses, on their own dime.
>
> > > A return because "I didn't like them" is an entirely different story.
>
> > > Would it be more acceptable to you, if it were worded this way?  100%
> > refund
> > > if dissatisfied (minus 50% restocking fee)
>
> > >      -- Chuck Knight
>
> >  > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:54 PM, ivm.camp <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > I did not mean that "progressive" lenses are a scam but that the
> > > > refund policies and what appears to be standard refund practice is a
> > > > scam, as is defining progressives as bifocals..I understand that there
> > > > are a large number of different quality types and manufacturers of
> > > > progressive lenses but ..a reputable US based company, regardless if
> > > > the Essilor lenses are made in France or Singapore, will issue a 100%
> > > > refund, and will respect the standard definition of progressive as
> > > > multifocal (at least far-distance/ intermediate-computer/near distance-
> > > > reading). I have been burned by ZENNI with frames which fell apart out
> > > > of the box and defective lenses. I have come into a stonewall with
> > > > their illiterate "customer service".  Glad to have an excellent bank
> > > > working with me. Shall keep you apprised
>
> > > > If you look carefully at the websites and hidden small print, you will
> > > > see that many define progressives as noline bifocals.....perhaps some
> > > > people, who do not use intermediate distance for 10 hours/day and read
> > > > without glasses, are satisfied with bifocals, I am not. Further, once
> > > > the online company has your returned glasses, they argue that the
> > > > customer returned them and that there was nothing wrong with the
> > > > glasses.  The customer must have a written analysis of the glasses
> > > > from another  optician  to continue making their argument
> > > > online......I stands to good business practices that there is 100%
> > > > refund with any defective product....not 50%.....that is the
> > > > scam.....try and get your money back from China.....I cannot believe
> > > > that some people on this blog accept such a 50% refund policy as
> > > > ok.....at which online company did your church colleagues buy their
> > > > progressives?
>
> > > > I would really appreciate hearing from which online company people
> > > > filled progressive scripts which were filled correctly with 3
> > > > distnaces. Thanks a lot for your help. I am hesitating getting a pair
> > > > of progressives for my husband after my experience, although I bragged
> > > > that I could get a pair of progressives for $60 instead of his
> > > > $350....
>
> > > > On Feb 19, 10:22 am, "Ira (GlassyEyes)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > ivm.camp,
>
> > > > > Good luck finding lenses manufactured in the United States -- at any
> > > > price.
> > > > > Essilor has 15 plants worldwide and only 2 of those facilities are in
> > the
> > > > > United States. It's unclear whether they manufacture lenses in either
> > of
> > > > > those US facilities.
>
> > > > > The fact is, the vast majority of lenses are made in Asia -- along
> > with
> > > > > televisions, furniture, clothing, cell phones, coffee makers,
> > luggage,
> > > > you
> > > > > name it... and lenses have been made in Asia and Europe longer than
> > the
> > > > > ever-lengthening list of other products.
>
> > > > > The lenses in this case were definitely made incorrectly.
> > Progressives
> > > > > online are by no means a scam, but you may have better luck with the
> > more
> > > > > reputable stores and I'm not sure I'd do a first pair of progressives
> > > > > online.
>
> > > > > - Ira
>
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Chuck Knight <
> > [email protected]
> > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > Several people at my church are wearing progressives that were
> > > > purchased
> > > > > > online, and have no trouble with them whatsoever.  And, they were
> > the
> > > > > > standard lenses..not the upgraded Essilors.
>
> > > > > > The optics, the placement of the corridor, etc...it's all perfect.
> >  Or,
> > > > > > sufficiently close to perfect that the nosepads can adjust the rest
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > way.
>
> > > > > > Progressives, while a bit trickier to fit, are *definitely* NOT a
> > scam,
> > > > > > when purchased online.
>
> > > > > > I agree with ivm.camp -- you should contact the company and tell
> > them
> > > > that
> > > > > > the corridor is in the wrong place, by a full 5mm.  That's not
> > > > attributable
> > > > > > to "tolerances," that's a defect.
>
> > > > > > Many of the online retailers monitor this group.  Your
> > dissatisfaction
> > > > may
> > > > > > already be known to them.
>
> > > > > >      -- Chuck Knight
>
> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM, ivm.camp <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > >> I do not think that any of these online lenses are made in the US
> > and
> > > > > >> most of the online companies have either no definition for
> > > > > >> progressives as multifocal, or define progressives to be
> > > > > >> bifocals....ZENNI for one, Glasses4U another, etc..
>
> > > > > >> You should get a full refund because the lenses are defective and
> > not
> > > > > >> because you wnat to return them. The scam appears to be to state
> > that
> > > > > >> 50% is max refund and then produce poor lenses which will be
> > returned
> > > > > >> so the company makes 50% on bad lenses and gets the frame/lenses
> > back
> > > > > >> to reuse (at least the frame).
>
> > > > > >> Progressive online SCAM!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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