Ray, >How can you possibly justify $2k to any manager (or Wife for that matter) I probably would not be able to justify $2k to my wife (if I had one), but I sure could justify $2k of training on sendmail to my manager if I had three or four thousand nodes that I was responsible for. The justification would go like this: "After attending this training, your system administrator will be able to set up mail filtering, routing and managing ten percent faster, and with five percent fewer mistakes. In addition, efficiencies shown in this course will mean that (on average) your sendmail daemon will use five percent less CPU cycles than when installed right from the box." Assuming a weighted average salary of $140,000 per year, this would save me $14K per year just on employee salary alone, plus untold savings on less email downtime and system savings. Notice that Paul said: o four days of training (not one hour as in a LUG meeting) o simulated mail/network environment o limited to five additional people (probably a small class) And don't even try to pull the "Microsoft would not need this". The same thing either occurs in MS land, or their software just can't do it. I use Linux sendmail as it comes out of the box. Sure, I could tune it if I wanted, and I have the books and knowledge, but I don't have the time or need. This is a PROFESSIONAL mail administrator's class for people who do this most of their lives or are going to teach it to someone else. Is the teacher worth $2K per person? If it is Eric Allman, you bet, but he does not get all that money, as some goes to travel expenses, materials, etc. And like any instructor, there is preparation time beforehand. As to showing up at a LUG meeting and no one shows up, I have no information or explanation on this other than "hit shappens", and I am sure whoever called that meeting is now kicking themselves for not being able to send out the cancellation notice earlier. But this type of thing is not limited to Linux, and is not the norm. In the meantime, perhaps one of the LUGs could set up an "end-user" or low-end sendmail night. md -- ============================================================================= Jon "maddog" Hall Executive Director, Linux(R) Intern'l Director of Linux Evangelism Linux International VA Linux Systems 80 Amherst St. 47071 Bayside Parkway Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. Fremont, CA 94538 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.li.org WWW: http://www.valinux.com Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. ********************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **********************************************************
Re: Sendmail Training
Jon 'maddog' Hall, Executive Director, Linux International Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:31:10 -0800
- Sendmail Traini... Paul Lussier
- Re: Sendma... Paul Lussier
- Re: Sendma... Paul Lussier
- Re: Se... Thomas Charron
- Re: Sendma... Ray Bowles
- Re: Sendma... Derek Martin
- Re: Sendma... Jon 'maddog' Hall, Executive Director, Linux International
- Re: Se... Jerry Kubeck
- Re: Sendma... Paul Lussier
- RE: Sendma... Ray Bowles
- RE: Sendma... Ray Bowles
- Re: Sendma... David Andrew - Sun MDE
- RE: Sendma... Kevin D. Clark
- RE: Sendma... Niall Kavanagh
- RE: Se... Benjamin Scott
- Re: Sendma... Peter Kinsley
- Re: Se... Jerry Kubeck