*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 4:20am Paul Iadonisi shared this with the class::
> Ray, > I was going to let this go and not participate in this thread, but this > set me off. Later in the above paragraph you state that you are not trying > to start a distro war, but just a few lines previous you call Red Hat's distro > a "CRAP" distro. I suggest taking a look at this blatant discrepency. Ok, I have to admit (and maybe someone caught this already) I was being a bit of a hypocrite. By this I mean I was saying bashing M$ wasn't cool (at least here) while I was being harsh on RH in my example. I was a bit hot headed and I always get that way because, as you said and I agree. Software development isn't an easy job and mistakes are made. Maybe I should take a writing class or possibly go gather my thoughts instead of feeding off my anger and getting right into it. I just don't like it when people from either camp refuses to admit that the other is necessary. When they most certainly are. > I tolerate some jabs that Red Hat takes on this list and other Linux lists, > because I know most of it is with the usual wink (;-)) and acknowledgement of > at least two facts by the jab'er: 1) that software development is tough and > we all make mistakes -- 2) Red Hat is the best know name in Linux (at least > in this country) and as a result is under the brightest spotlight and therefore > the highest scrutiny. Generally I am in the same camp as the others and I will very quickly tell a newbie to use Mandrake before venturing off in to Debian or BSD land. You are exactly right though -- "to each his own" I honestly believe that and think that trying to convince someone that one distro is better than another is just as bad as fighting over the usefulness of both Win and Lin. > Most who take jabs at Red Hat, though they might not say it, seem to be > willing to acknowledge that the distro is not "CRAP", but might not be to > their liking. That's fine -- to each his own. But I don't think I've ever I agree, sorry. irish temper. ;) > seen anyone accuse the company of following in Microsoft's footsteps, except > maybe some slashkiddies. Given, in particular, some recent news events I see hints of it sometimes, but like you said it can happen. > about Microsoft's view on security (its view on the 'begin' bug, its fight > against security info being published, etc.), I see that as a clear attack > on the company. > For now, I'm not going to debate why I am a Red Hat user and fan of their > distribution, but just say that I find your accusations of their distribution Thanks, I'll refrain as well. :p > indicate that you wish to incite a riot and I'm not going to egg you on. Not at all, again, I'm sorry. > Again, baseless accusations. So Red Hat is a poorly run company, but yet Don't really want to get into it, but I was looking into the future of what "could" happen. I was basing it on some blunders they've made in a few releases (usually bundling bad software). I think the most recent dissapointment was (and I'm not an avid user so cut me some slack on the version) the release of 7.1. Wasn't that plagued with problems that could have been avoided had they not wanted to get it out there so fast? Anyway this is all speculation and was meant as such so it is also a matter of opinion and not worth arguing over. > I know people personally who work at Red Hat and I'm sure they would have > a lot to say about being told that they work for a 'poorly run company'. > So I've got insiders' views, partner views (that I won't discuss publicly), > an investor's view, and a user's view (my own and a few companies). All > positive. Not perfect, but clearly positive. Ok then, here is my honest feeling on them. If you even care at this point ;). I beleive they have made mistakes and since Linux is so scrutinized by the public, mistakes need to be minimal. Obvious I know, but this should be of the highest priority of any company. > > this is a Linux Mailing list NOT and Anti-Microsoft mailing > > list. There is a difference! > It's quite a stretch to say that calling a distribution "CRAP" yet claiming > you are not trying to start a distro war is *honest*. If you were more > generic and said something to the affect that we need to do better as a group > (meaning the world of Linux distributions), then I'ld say you were being > 'honest and critical about an OS you like'. Taken for how it's written, your > post was little more than a troll, as Derek pointed out that some might call > it. Point taken and given my comments above I think we're more or less on the same page. Ray ------------------------------ Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. ***************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *****************************************************************
