Thank you both for the responses.  Alexander - it is great to hear
that you have had a good experience.  Joseph - I'm happy to hear that
you are using the Patch, probably for similar reasons to what I need -
authentication, etc.  I didn't quite understand the different niches
for your utilities, and for the Patch.  It's good to at least
understand that they are complementary.

If there are other people who have some feedback with their
experiences with the Utilities & Patch vs the Helper - please let us
know.  I'm sure there are lots of people trying to make decisions on
what to base their applications upon, and the more data-points, the
better.

johnP


On Oct 21, 6:19 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm using appengine-patch to implement Django for a site I'm building,
> and it's been very easy. Like Alex, I went to use that instead of
> helper because I intend to handle authentication differently than what
> comes default with webapp and django helper.
>
> With the inclusion of zip import to appengine-patch it saved me a ton
> of time.
>
> Now, not to toot my own horn, but I did integrate appengine-utilities
> session and flash into my implementation also. That was extremely
> easy. Also, writing an authentication backend to support the google
> accounts was a snap as well.
>
> On Oct 21, 12:58 am, Alexander Kojevnikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > About a month ago I migratedwww.muspy.comfromwebapp to Django 1.0
> > using app-engine-patch. The main reason was to provide a custom
> > authentication instead of the Google's.
>
> > Regarding your questions:
>
> > 1. The only issue I have 
> > ishttp://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=772
> > but I believe it's not specific to app-engine-patch.
>
> > 2. I depend on < 200 lines of code provided by app-engine-patch to
> > ease the implementation of custom authentication. This code could be
> > easily rewritten or integrated to your app should you decide to
> > migrate to vanilla Django. Migration from the datastore would take
> > most time anyway.
>
> > 3. See above. Very easy and very flexible.
>
> > 4. After removing unused files from Django, my entire project is about
> > 500 files. I didn't use zip imports and don't plan to.
>
> > Hope this helps and let me know if you have other questions.
>
> > --
> > Alexwww.muspy.com
>
> > On Oct 21, 7:56 am, johnP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Hello, all -
>
> > > I was curious if some users might provide some feedback about using
> > > AppEngine Helper, Utilities, and Patch (or nothing at all...:))
>
> > > Initially, appengine Helper seemed like a safe choice - because it was
> > > sanctioned by the appengine team, and helped bridge the gap between
> > > writing in pure django and writing on appengine.  It has over 1500
> > > downloads.  It seems to continue being supported at a "moderate" pace
> > > (is it a 20% project for someone at Google)?
>
> > > Appengine Patch seems very interesting - it promises to allow you to
> > > write in pure Django, excluding models.  This makes sense to me.  It
> > > seems like it is being developed, and initially - looked like it is
> > > well made.  Other positives are the included zip imports, and the
> > > possibility of using my own authentication.  My primary concern is
> > > that it is a layer that resides at the core of my application, and is
> > > a potential source of issues (that are not being addressed by a large
> > > community such as Google and Django community).
>
> > > What I am looking for are the following:
> > >   1.  Reliability.
> > >   2.  Ability to write as closely to pure Django 1.0 as possible.
> > >   3   Using my own user authentication, rather than Google's
> > > (wonderful) solution.
> > >   4.  Zip imports.
>
> > > Can people provide their impressions, positive and negative, with
> > > these different approaches?  They all seem very exciting - but an open
> > > discussion would be welcomed.  Thanks -
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