On Nov 4, 3:08 pm, yejun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On EC2 you can make your own image, but that's not the point. I
> believe no one in their right mind would use a public image for their
> production system, it is just not safe by any means.
You have to trust the Google admins with your data and code also. At
least with EC2 you have direct access and create an encrypted
filesystem / etc. That even the admins wouldn't be able to 'poke
around' into. So I don't buy the security argument...
> You need to do a lot more than by lanching an image. You need to
> manage them just like a real operating system, security auditing,
> patching, debugging. Of course you can also simply terminate any image
> which causing problems.
>
> I think it's still too early to say which cloud computing product will
> succeed in the end though. They may coexist for ever just like grocery
> store and restaurant.
I agree - and likely there will be lots of competition, which is
good. EC2 already seems pretty exciting, if something comes out even
cheaper and easier to use, it will be a Good Thing.
But at this point in time I'm not sure if there are enough reasons to
invest lots of effort into developing for GAE, as there are huge
limitations and not yet enough evidence that it is a cheaper or better
option for the 'long term'. Although I am openminded, and like to go
with Google as a company as they have a reputation for doing some
positive things, such as supporting free/opensource communities, so
I'm willing to keep considering their options.
Just that GAE in its current state isn't showing signs as a good
platform, technically speaking... other than it being free to start
off with, I'm looking for some stronger (hopefully technical) reasons
to invest much time into it as a 'real world' application platform
over EC2.
>
> On Nov 4, 2:57 pm, sal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I think the scaling issue here is understated. Compared to traditional
> > > scaling strategies that organizations use to perform, GAE provides
> > > alot of transparency. The premise of GAE is to put focus on
> > > development of applications. Thus, GAE is more developer focused. EC2
> > > is a more general solution. Furthermore, I imagine instantiating more
> > > VMs is a form of network administration that doesn't exist in GAE ...
>
> > I wouldn't assume this yet, as I'm sure you'll have to perform some
> > sort of verification/configuration to 'scale up' with GAE also.
> > Google likely wont just let your app spike though all the funds in
> > your bank account - you'll have to login to some kind of console to
> > configure how much resources you want to pay for. EC2 has the same
> > thing basically - you just go to a web page and control how many
> > instances are running.
>
> > > unless your application is so advanced that it comes with logic to
> > > efficiently instantiate and shutdown VMs on its own.
>
> > There are already free utilities that do this with EC2 it seems.
>
> > > On Nov 4, 11:20 am, sal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > EC2 also has a lot other usage than hosting a web site. You can use it
> > > > > for scientific computing, video transcoding, data mining and etc.
>
> > > > I agree - you have a little more freedom / computing power / resources
> > > > than you do with GAE, and its pretty cheap. A quick lookthrough on
> > > > Amazon's site shows EC2's lowend costing $0.10 per hour (ten cents an
> > > > hour) to use. And you can shut it down/start it up whenever you want
> > > > so you don't incur much cost while 'playing around' in the beginning.
>
> > > > I did like being able to 'dive in' to GAE just using my Google login
> > > > and start playing around - but EC2 seems more practical for real world
> > > > use yet. There needs to be more to make GAE something viable... or
> > > > maybe Google's not really aiming to compete on the 'high end' cloud
> > > > computing arena, more just to give a place for people to create Google
> > > > Gadgets? (In that case it should be named 'Google Gadget Engine'!!)
> > > > But I don't think that's the case, I must be missing something =)
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