even ambedkar was alleged to have been deviated he was criticed severely during his lifetime even from dalits circles many chieftains like gandhi tried to teach h when u sit and read everything seems perfct
Mayavati should be criticed; but dont be so anxious abt how she will deal with brahmins let her try her tactics to stay alive in power politcs if patrons r not needd for Indira why we insists upon Maya they r capable of dealing with it they may fail or win it's part of the game c dalits are not blindly celebrating mayavati.. right from grassrooot level to intellctual ther s a critical engagemnt with it... her strenght is not brahmins, but Dalits .. one shoud aslo able to see the support of OBC and muslims which not highltd by media politics s like that and evryone has the right to criticise from any perspective so do u and i best On 3/26/08, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > <"Critique of Mayavati is needed from the dalit perspective..." > > What other perspective you find here, in connection with my reference, > which was actually made in the context of an existing stream of > criticism , which equally stakes claim for dalit perspective? This > was made against Mayavathi/BSP for the too obvious ideological > compromise with the Manu-ites, and there is enough reason to consider > that this criticism, notwithstanding the jubilations for > Mayavathi ,is not without a dalit perspective. > It is not anything new that the BSP had made its debut appearance in > the arena of electoral politics in India in the 1980s riding itself on > the Ambedkarite vision, giving expression to the dalits' collective > will of smashing the prisons of caste created by Manuvadis. Thanks to > the combined effect of the Mandal and Masjid, the party could grow in > strength since the late 80s. It surprised most of the political > analysts when the BSP could share power with the emerging hard core > brahmanic right wing, anti-mandal and anti-muslim party, in total > disregard of the ideological polarity between the two. > After not being able to cope with the contradicting interests from > within the alliance, the BSP had soon to part ways with the BJP . If > the people of India had not risen to the occasion in 2004 to rout the > BJP & NDA, it could be anybody's guess whether the BSP would have > liked to share power with the BJP at the Union level by offering a > handful of seats the NDA might be short of support to form a > coalition. > Viewed against this background and in an emphatically asserted dalit > perspective too, one can very well say that the quoted slogan (brahman > sankh bajaayega, haathi age badaayega)raised by the BSP for securing > power in UP clearly indicated serious digression from the path of > criticising Brahmanism, and hence, the logical backtracking from any > serious critique of caste itself. > What exactly conforms to dalit perspective may be debatable not only > among dalits, but also among all sections concerned with the struggle > against the tyranny of caste and gender. > One thing I wish to agree with Ranju (as obvious from his postings, > though he hadn't used the same expressions), is that tailing BSP & > Mayavathi without any criticism is not same as fighting Brahmanism > and following the thoughts of Dr.Ambedkar. > The other points you've raised against the arbitrary assumptions and > interventions of 'cheiftains of civil society' in their purported > attempts to educate dalits as though the latter are not capable of > articulating and expressing by themselves > appears out of context. > Ambedkar had never retracted from his pursuit of struggling for the > rights of dalits.He had never compromised anywhere in his life- long > engagement with Brahmanism, for that matter. If anybody is suggesting > that Mayavathi and BSP are trying to do just that, I wish less to > agree than to disagree. > The role of intellectuals, I believe , is not just to engage the 'soft > targets' or the comparatively inconsequential opponents who may have > minor disagreements. On the contrary, I believe that it is more > imperative to challenge those ideas and assumptions in real lives that > perpetuate hegemony and allows the perpetrators to get away with > impunity, in systematically recurring and institutionalized forms of > commissions and omissions. > Regards, > Venu.K.M > > > > > On Mar 24, 11:25 pm, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mayavati is into power politics > > if issue based alliances in civil society could have "universal > > brahman/"upper" casstes" why deny the same possibility in politics > > > > if Mayavati' could utilise the bureaucracy to make some changes (it wont > > happen over night) that would be nice > > like it or not chiftains of civil society should accept the agency of > > mayavati and how she use Dalit/brahmin/OBC/muslim combination > effectively in > > UPs politcs.. > > critique of mayavati is indeed needd from dalit perspective.. > > the prblm is in the assumption that DAlits cant understand anything and > > chieftains of civil society has to make them aware of it... i was > > questioning it. > > dalits from their day to day experience are theorising society/culture/ > > they understood wht ambedkar said from their lived experiences > > evolving dalit discourse will be testimony to > > > > chengara brings forth the agency of people and their struggle itself is > > theorisation of critique of kerala model of devpt and class > deterministic > > marxist discourse of the region > > > > On 3/25/08, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > With all appreciation and pride for Mayavathi ,let one also be > > > reminded of this slogan, reportedly used by the BSP in the electoral > > > campaign that led Mayavathi ultimately to the CM's post. > > > "Brahman sankh bajaayega, haathi aage badaayega." > > > Venu.K.M > > > > > - > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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