If we want to achieve those two goals : - having consistent booklets ; - letting anybody use the style he likes ; I do think it would be necessary to split this into 3 different entries.
If we don't, we have to choose one goal or the other ; but if we choose the first goal, we have to agree on a common style. 2013/5/22 Olivier Berten <[email protected]> > We might want to ask ourself what's the aim of that database. I > thought of it as an editorial tool, not a musicological one. The final > aim is to help people making booklets. Therefore some consistency in > the orthography is useful. When you make a chant booklet, it would > make sense to have the same rules through the whole booklet. Having a > i or j won't make any difference in the way of singing or saying it. > That's why I currently consider it's the same piece if the music is > the same (including rhythmic signs) and the words are the same > (whatever orthography). > > Do you think this, for instance, should be split into 3 different > entries? http://test.selapa.net/gregobase/chant.php?id=2980 > > Olivier > > 2013/5/22 pierre <[email protected]>: > > Mmm, I am sorry to disagree with many of us. > > The gabc database should not be a standard of what is "good" gregorian > > score. > > It is not to "us" to decide if we must use i or j, or mass of PAul VI or > > older one. We should remain open. "We" are a tool. Only. > > It seems to me that the only possible way is to have a gabc database as > near > > as possible of each original book. > > If there are many different versions of one hymn in different books, we > must > > have the correspondant entries possible in the DB. > > The fact that the entry is filled is another question. It will be filled > if > > someone fills it. But the DB should remain open. > > This could lead to a standard "de facto", if some entries are filled and > > other ones are not... > > But that should not be "by design". > > The reference to the original book seems enough to recognize various > > variants. > > And I see no problem if gabc data is more or less duplicated... > > > > Le 22/05/2013 16:58, Olivier Berten a écrit : > > > >> Well... I'm actually wondering myself... because I like to be as close > >> as possible as the source but it doesn't really make sense to me to > >> have different entries for the Graduale and the Liber versions. One > >> could argue that we should use some standardised latin (same with the > >> oe/ae/œ/æ or i/j question). > >> > >> But on the other hand the Liber gives a lot of information for people > >> less litterate in that topic which could be useful aswell: accents for > >> the people less used to the tonic accent placement in latin or noted > >> psalms for people less used to psalmody... > >> > >> I also wonder how to deal with the hymns with one different verse for > >> different occasions, or which are a port of another hymn... > >> > >> I'd love to have other peoples opinions > >> > >> 2013/5/22 Jacques Peron <[email protected]>: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I'd have a question about the rules to be followed on your database. > >> > >> There are differences between editions of gregorian chants : > >> - the Graduale puts accents on words only when they have 3 or more > >> syllabes, > >> while the Liber usualis and others put accents on all accented words ; > >> - liturgical books use i in place of j after 1962, but not before ; > >> - æ is often written ae, I think because they had no easy mean to do > >> otherwise (but I can't be affirmative). > >> > >> So here is my question : is it better to follow the presentation of the > >> source in every case (but some chants can be different between different > >> sources), or to follow uniform rules ? In such a case, would it be > >> possible > >> to give those rules, for example on the Participate page ? > >> > >> Please forgive me if I made English mistakes, > >> > >> Fr. Jacques Peron. > >> > >> > >> 2013/3/24 Olivier Berten <[email protected]> > >> Hi! > >> > >> Little by little, I'm getting further in my gregorian database system. > >> There is now an editing interface. It's not very user-friendly yet but > >> my knowledge in gui conception and programming is very weak... So if > >> you want to help, I'm very open to it! > >> > >> You can also just proofread the scores and check the little "Me" > >> button under "Proofread by" (if you don't see any mistakes, of > >> course). > >> > >> For those interested, I published the source code on GitHub > >> <https://github.com/olivierberten/GregoBase>. It's a mess... but if > >> you're very brave, you can have a look at it ;-) > >> > >> Olivier > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gregorio-users mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gregorio-users mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gregorio-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users > > _______________________________________________ > Gregorio-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users >
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